Liam Gallagher - For What It's Worth (Live at Air Studios)

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  • Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 10923
    A rather obvious message to his brother it would seem.  Maybe age has mellowed him?
    Question everything - with the exception of the Earth being a spheroid and the moon landings.
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  • Sounds like his best stuff since Oasis, I hope the brothers bury the hatchet
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  • JezWyndJezWynd Frets: 1593
    Sounds like his best stuff since Oasis, I hope the brothers bury the hatchet
    Dread to think what the rest is like. A whiny voice and a hook don't make a song.
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  • I'm liking Liam's solo stuff so far.  Better than the second Beady Eye album (mind you, so is everything).  Better than any Beady Eye really.
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  • OssyrocksOssyrocks Frets: 443
    The guy on keys is Christian Madden from Burnley, just down the road from me. I have played many many gigs with him, ever since he was still at school in the 90's. He's an absolute top bloke. So pleased for him.

    Rob,
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  • JezWynd said:
    Sounds like his best stuff since Oasis, I hope the brothers bury the hatchet
    Dread to think what the rest is like. A whiny voice and a hook don't make a song.
    This one sounds just like Oasis and many Beatles songs, I guess you're not a fan?

    whiny voice? What like "sunsheeeiiiine" ? 

    He may not be the worlds best songwriter but he's had more milions sellers than you or I!
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  • impmannimpmann Frets: 5657
    JezWynd said:
    Sounds like his best stuff since Oasis, I hope the brothers bury the hatchet
    Dread to think what the rest is like. A whiny voice and a hook don't make a song.
    This one sounds just like Oasis and many Beatles songs, I guess you're not a fan?

    whiny voice? What like "sunsheeeiiiine" ? 

    He may not be the worlds best songwriter but he's had more milions sellers than you or I!
    Which Beatles songs does this sound like, exactly?
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  • Ossyrocks said:
    The guy on keys is Christian Madden from Burnley, just down the road from me. I have played many many gigs with him, ever since he was still at school in the 90's. He's an absolute top bloke. So pleased for him.

    Rob,
    I've seen him play with The Earlies, Tokolosh and in Liam Frost's solo backing band. Well chuffed for him. 
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  • Top stuff. My good friend of 20 years on guitar too. Liam is a lovely fella and I wish him all the best with this record. Everything I've heard from it sounds great and the writers he's working with know where he wants to be. 

     I get sick of the lazy insults to Liam and oasis from people know know nothing about them. They owe(d) more to the sex pistols than the Beatles. 
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  • JezWyndJezWynd Frets: 1593
    JezWynd said:
    Sounds like his best stuff since Oasis, I hope the brothers bury the hatchet
    Dread to think what the rest is like. A whiny voice and a hook don't make a song.
    This one sounds just like Oasis and many Beatles songs, I guess you're not a fan?

    whiny voice? What like "sunsheeeiiiine" ? 

    He may not be the worlds best songwriter but he's had more milions sellers than you or I!
    Critical appraisal would be pretty thin on the ground if we all had to match the subject for success. Liam had one of the great R 'n R voices, up there with Lennon and Jagger for sneery, bolshy angst but it seems to have thinned a little as he's got older.

    Has he written any notable songs? Honest question, I always though Noel took care of that.
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  • Too mellow for me, as with most Oasis stuff since the 2nd album. I don't think Liams voice suits it. Their "best stuff" had edginess and energy to it, upbeat songs backed by dimed marshall amps. If Liam went back to that sound I think he would make a significant come back and wipe the floor with Noel.
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  • Too mellow for me, as with most Oasis stuff since the 2nd album. I don't think Liams voice suits it. Their "best stuff" had edginess and energy to it, upbeat songs backed by dimed marshall amps. If Liam went back to that sound I think he would make a significant come back and wipe the floor with Noel.
    I think you'll like the album then....
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  • JezWynd said:
    JezWynd said:
    Sounds like his best stuff since Oasis, I hope the brothers bury the hatchet
    Dread to think what the rest is like. A whiny voice and a hook don't make a song.
    This one sounds just like Oasis and many Beatles songs, I guess you're not a fan?

    whiny voice? What like "sunsheeeiiiine" ? 

    He may not be the worlds best songwriter but he's had more milions sellers than you or I!
    Critical appraisal would be pretty thin on the ground if we all had to match the subject for success. Liam had one of the great R 'n R voices, up there with Lennon and Jagger for sneery, bolshy angst but it seems to have thinned a little as he's got older.

    Has he written any notable songs? Honest question, I always though Noel took care of that.

    You're right about his song writing credits, I had thought he wrote a few notable later Oasis songs, I mistakenly though he wrote Let There Be Love (I wasn't really following them at the time) but it appears he didn't write too much of note. The new ones for this album look like collaborations.

    Bottom line is you either like this new song or you don't.

    I do and I'm looking forward to hearing the album.

    No Fun
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  • Nice rosewood neck tele in this vid. Anyone know what model? I first through AV64 but it's got a mint green guard and I think the AV64 has white, the Mexican Series Classic 60s tele has the mint guard. A pro using a Mexican Tele shocker?
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  • impmannimpmann Frets: 5657
    Too mellow for me, as with most Oasis stuff since the 2nd album. I don't think Liams voice suits it. Their "best stuff" had edginess and energy to it, upbeat songs backed by dimed marshall amps. If Liam went back to that sound I think he would make a significant come back and wipe the floor with Noel.
    I think you'll like the album then....
    Everything I've heard sounds great to me. Far better than the stuff he did with Beady Eye, IMHO.

    It is "cool" to knock Liam (and Noel for that matter) in some circles but fair play they've made music that mattered a lot to a lot of people. Liam also seems to be genuinely giving towards his fans - and is a lot more smart than he gets credit for. He's the sort of guy I'd like to have a beer with and chat about music as I think he'd be good company.
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  • Nice rosewood neck tele in this vid. Anyone know what model? I first through AV64 but it's got a mint green guard and I think the AV64 has white, the Mexican Series Classic 60s tele has the mint guard. A pro using a Mexican Tele shocker?
    It's old. Mike got it recently. Also a very nice 59 JM which should end up being used.
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  • impmann said:
    It is "cool" to knock Liam (and Noel for that matter) in some circles but fair play they've made music that mattered a lot to a lot of people. Liam also seems to be genuinely giving towards his fans - and is a lot more smart than he gets credit for. He's the sort of guy I'd like to have a beer with and chat about music as I think he'd be good company.
    Spot on, me too.
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  • Nice rosewood neck tele in this vid. Anyone know what model? I first through AV64 but it's got a mint green guard and I think the AV64 has white, the Mexican Series Classic 60s tele has the mint guard. A pro using a Mexican Tele shocker?
    It's old. Mike got it recently. Also a very nice 59 JM which should end up being used.
    Old? But not an original 60s Tele, the pickguard is the modern faux mint green.what model is it?
    No Fun
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  • equalsqlequalsql Frets: 2684
    I like that.... which is nice.
    (pronounced: equal-sequel)   "I suffered for my art.. now it's your turn"
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  • AlexOAlexO Frets: 58
    He's great isn't he! Going to watch him in December with a load of mates and jump around like I'm 18 again! 



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  • I have no problem with Liam and this solo stuff is miles better than Beady Eye, but still not as good as Noel's solo albums and still just a bit dull. 
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  • jonnyburgojonnyburgo Frets: 4890
    Its a good tune, I mean its basically "Don't look back in anger" but its a good tune. He seems to be a lot more self effacing in interviews now too, doesn't take himself too seriously, basically he's grown up.
    "OUR TOSSPOT"
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  • Liam was always jealous of Noel's songwriting and Noel was always jealous of what Liam brought in terms of swagger, delivery, and being the front man. They both need each other for it to work, IMO. 

    Even then, Oasis got boring for me once they made it - those first two records are great though.


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  • Nice rosewood neck tele in this vid. Anyone know what model? I first through AV64 but it's got a mint green guard and I think the AV64 has white, the Mexican Series Classic 60s tele has the mint guard. A pro using a Mexican Tele shocker?
    It's old. Mike got it recently. Also a very nice 59 JM which should end up being used.
    Old? But not an original 60s Tele, the pickguard is the modern faux mint green.what model is it?
    It’s brand new professional model. Sorry for confusion I created
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  • I'm going to stick my neck out here and say Oasis never made a terrible album, certainly they never recaptured the lightning in a bottle of the first two, but ignoring those two classics, look at each one...

    Be Here Now - I still believe to be crazily brilliant, in that it set out to be enormous crazy, coked out like Venezuela and produced with 40 tracks of noodling on everything... and it succeeds.  Everything Noel says when he says he hates it is true, everything is too long, the lyrics make no sense, they forgot to put bass on it, and a lot of it just goes "hssssss".  It does however have at least four or five great songs.  Maybe it is nostalgia but I do love BHN.

    Standing on the Shoulders of Giants - Always surprised me people hate this one, yes Little James sucks and I Can See a Liar ("...sitting by the fire...", as Liam said "shoo bee doo be doo, she doo be fucking doo") shouldn't even have made a B-Side, but it's got again at least four great songs on it, and Sunday Morning Call remains one of the less offensive "I'm a rock star feel sorry for me" tracks.

    Heathen Chemistry - Seriously people didn't like "Better Man", or "Stop Crying Your Heart Out"?  Probably the closest to Oasis-by-numbers they did, but "Little By Little" is still one of my favourite Oasis songs.

    Don't Believe The Truth - Contains Noel's last masterpiece "The Importance of Being Idle", "Let There Be Love", one of their best 60s pastiches.  I have to admit the Oasis album I listen to least but not by any stretch bad.

    Dig Out Your Soul - "The Shock of the Lightning" is a great Oasis single, "I'm Outta Time" chugs along superbly.  Actually a pretty good bridge especially with the guitars to Noel's solo career.  

    All IMHO of course, you can't call Oasis "under-rated" but like a lot of other bands who got really big and then got a bit less good, they don't deserve the slating they get.
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  • It's shite, a bad photocopy of an Oasis track. Absolute Radio have been plastering the airwaves with Liam's stuff and the consensus of the kitchen, ranging from the young uns of 20 years up to some older Britpop survivors like me, is SHITE ON TOAST. 

    @darthed1981Be Here Now is like The Second Coming. There are moments of overblown drugged out brilliance but too many moments of feeble wank. The star of Be Here Now is Alan White: some of the drums are fucking huge on there. It's Getting Better, Man will always be one of my favourites. 
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  • @darthed1981Be Here Now is like The Second Coming. There are moments of overblown drugged out brilliance but too many moments of feeble wank. The star of Be Here Now is Alan White: some of the drums are fucking huge on there. It's Getting Better, Man will always be one of my favourites. 
    Yeah but both are GREAT albums, unique world-crushing things that as someone who loves music, or at least that kind of music, you have to have an opinion about, positive or negative.  They inevitably inspire passion.

    Not naming names, but some of the biggest artists in the world these days seem incapable of making you hate them, and incapable of changing your musical world.  They are just pleasant, and there.

    Again all IMHO of course.
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  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Frets: 3667
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    Nice rosewood neck tele in this vid. Anyone know what model? I first through AV64 but it's got a mint green guard and I think the AV64 has white, the Mexican Series Classic 60s tele has the mint guard. A pro using a Mexican Tele shocker?
    It's old. Mike got it recently. Also a very nice 59 JM which should end up being used.
    Old? But not an original 60s Tele, the pickguard is the modern faux mint green.what model is it?
    It’s brand new professional model. Sorry for confusion I created
    Ah yes, so it is. I didn't realise the new Pro Teles had the mint green guard. It looks the biz.
    No Fun
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  • I'm going to stick my neck out here and say Oasis never made a terrible album, certainly they never recaptured the lightning in a bottle of the first two, but ignoring those two classics, look at each one...

    Be Here Now - I still believe to be crazily brilliant, in that it set out to be enormous crazy, coked out like Venezuela and produced with 40 tracks of noodling on everything... and it succeeds.  Everything Noel says when he says he hates it is true, everything is too long, the lyrics make no sense, they forgot to put bass on it, and a lot of it just goes "hssssss".  It does however have at least four or five great songs.  Maybe it is nostalgia but I do love BHN.

    Standing on the Shoulders of Giants - Always surprised me people hate this one, yes Little James sucks and I Can See a Liar ("...sitting by the fire...", as Liam said "shoo bee doo be doo, she doo be fucking doo") shouldn't even have made a B-Side, but it's got again at least four great songs on it, and Sunday Morning Call remains one of the less offensive "I'm a rock star feel sorry for me" tracks.

    Heathen Chemistry - Seriously people didn't like "Better Man", or "Stop Crying Your Heart Out"?  Probably the closest to Oasis-by-numbers they did, but "Little By Little" is still one of my favourite Oasis songs.

    Don't Believe The Truth - Contains Noel's last masterpiece "The Importance of Being Idle", "Let There Be Love", one of their best 60s pastiches.  I have to admit the Oasis album I listen to least but not by any stretch bad.

    Dig Out Your Soul - "The Shock of the Lightning" is a great Oasis single, "I'm Outta Time" chugs along superbly.  Actually a pretty good bridge especially with the guitars to Noel's solo career.  

    All IMHO of course, you can't call Oasis "under-rated" but like a lot of other bands who got really big and then got a bit less good, they don't deserve the slating they get.
    Preach, bro.
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  • impmannimpmann Frets: 5657
    Be Here Now... hmmm. The biggest advert for "Cocaine destroys creativity" ever recorded. Arrogant, rambling, over-confident and just shoddy.
    The opening salvo of the album sets the tone for the rest of the 12 tracks... the track itself isn't horrendous... its just *not very good*. Its adequate - and thats as good as it can ever be.

    Standing on the Shoulder of Giants has one great track - Fuckin in the bushes. Magnificent - it roars and swaggers. The rest of the album is, imho, the sound of slightly wet farts after a particularly good curry.

    Heathen Chemistry - Hindu Times is OK, if a little bit... contrived. The rest of it is just forgetable. TBH, I had to google the track listing to remind myself.

    Don't Believe the Truth - has three good tracks;  Lyla, The Importance of being Idle and Let there be Love. The rest is forgetable, again. And the three good tracks aren't rich seams of loveliness - if this had been their debut, they wouldn't get a second album.


    I was a big Oasis fan - I still remember that feeling of hearing/seeing Supersonic on Gary Crowley's late night TV show. He got the first play of the video and it was an Earth-Standing-Still moment for me and a lot of others. The first two albums were stellar, the B-sides were incredible (Masterplan - the greatest song never to have had a proper release?) and the gigs were legendary... I still have the T-shirts. But sadly that third album was mediocre at best. I did read once that it was (at the time) the most returned CD of all time - I can well believe it.

    Noel's High Flying Birds was very good - Beady Eye was more of the forgetable nonsense. This new album by Liam, whilst it may not have the resonance or the gravitas of the early Oasis stuff is still highly listenable and has some good tunes. I wish him all the best with it.

    Do Oasis deserve the slagging off..? Yes and no.

    There will always be those who bang on about them sounding like the Beatles (I ask again... which particular song, as they never sounded that Beatles-y to me) and them being awkward, arrogant arses - yes, they were. I'll accept that. However, they (and Blur, Suede and a host of others) kick started music again in the 1990s - I still maintain it was the last great decade of music, the last 17 years hasn't brought anything like the movement, the variety and the joy of that time.

    But yes, they do deserve the slagging for these late albums - they didn't capture the imagination. They treaded water and yet told the world how f*cking marvellous they were. Some of the later gigs were lack-lustre too - out of tune guitars, bad vocals, lack of on-stage chemistry (I'm looking at Gem and Andy here - Bonehead was a better rhythm player, no contest) and a lack of fun. They didn't so much go off the boil, but boiled over and put the fire out.

     


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