Florida shooting ...

jonnyburgo

The Governer said "we have to put this down to being pure evil". Yep, that'll be it.

Flink_Poyd

This isnt the exact gun he was using but it was an AR-15



Its ridiculous that these are available to the general public

joeyowen

Has anyone declared a false flag yet?

HAL9000

The video about halfway down this page is well worth watching...

http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/16/media/jimmy-kimmel-trump-florida-shooting/index.html

Neil

Legionreturns said:

Ban ammo. Once the current stocks are gone, they'll be hard pressed to go on mass shootings armed only with frozen peas

You do know people reload old ammo don't you?

CHRISB50

Neil said:

Legionreturns said:

Ban ammo. Once the current stocks are gone, they'll be hard pressed to go on mass shootings armed only with frozen peas

You do know people reload old ammo don't you?

You can also make your own. I know a guy over here who makes his own, so it's definitely possible in the US.

BigBearKris

CHRISB50 said:

Neil said:

Legionreturns said:

Ban ammo. Once the current stocks are gone, they'll be hard pressed to go on mass shootings armed only with frozen peas

You do know people reload old ammo don't you?

You can also make your own. I know a guy over here who makes his own, so it's definitely possible in the US.

Just wanted to say - making own ammo is not that uncommon. Hunters, but also for those who don't want their bullets to be traced.

axisus

randella

BigBearKris said:

CHRISB50 said:

Neil said:

Legionreturns said:

Ban ammo. Once the current stocks are gone, they'll be hard pressed to go on mass shootings armed only with frozen peas

You do know people reload old ammo don't you?

You can also make your own. I know a guy over here who makes his own, so it's definitely possible in the US.

Just wanted to say - making own ammo is not that uncommon. Hunters, but also for those who don't want their bullets to be traced.

Hasn't there been a recent case here in the UK of a jeweller getting himself banged up for a long time, purely because he was making ammunition for gangs and other very unsavoury types?

Birmingham maybe?

underdog

CHRISB50 said:

Neil said:

Legionreturns said:

Ban ammo. Once the current stocks are gone, they'll be hard pressed to go on mass shootings armed only with frozen peas

You do know people reload old ammo don't you?

You can also make your own. I know a guy over here who makes his own, so it's definitely possible in the US.

There isn't going to be one thing that will be considered the solution to the problem, it will take lots of little things. Limiting ammo, justification for owning anything that isn't a hand gun, stringent license those wanting a gun etc. It's going to take a lot of small changes and each change will make a small impact that will add up.

digitalscream

underdog said:

CHRISB50 said:

Neil said:

Legionreturns said:

Ban ammo. Once the current stocks are gone, they'll be hard pressed to go on mass shootings armed only with frozen peas

You do know people reload old ammo don't you?

You can also make your own. I know a guy over here who makes his own, so it's definitely possible in the US.

There isn't going to be one thing that will be considered the solution to the problem, it will take lots of little things. Limiting ammo, justification for owning anything that isn't a hand gun, stringent license those wanting a gun etc. It's going to take a lot of small changes and each change will make a small impact that will add up.

...and each change will be fought as though it were the end of the world, with all the money that the NRA can muster.

underdog

digitalscream said:

underdog said:

CHRISB50 said:

Neil said:

Legionreturns said:

Ban ammo. Once the current stocks are gone, they'll be hard pressed to go on mass shootings armed only with frozen peas

You do know people reload old ammo don't you?

You can also make your own. I know a guy over here who makes his own, so it's definitely possible in the US.

There isn't going to be one thing that will be considered the solution to the problem, it will take lots of little things. Limiting ammo, justification for owning anything that isn't a hand gun, stringent license those wanting a gun etc. It's going to take a lot of small changes and each change will make a small impact that will add up.

...and each change will be fought as though it were the end of the world, with all the money that the NRA can muster.

Of course, it's not going to be easy but our view from over here in the UK is distorted by stereotypes, there are many areas in the US that don't want guns to be as available as they are, and with every passing year that will grow. The younger generation will come through with more peace loving views, and eventually they will win, but a lot could be done now to speed that up.

dano

Guns Don't Kill People, Americans Do.


I'e only skimmed the thread so it may have been already posted but other countries have much higher gun ownership that the USA such as Canada, Australia, Switzerland, some Scandinavian countries.  With the odd exception they have nowhere near the level of mass shootings.

To me it's about the American psyche. As a nation they have huge underlying aggressivness to them.  A very real pasive agressiveness, you upset an American and he will happily get his gun to sort out differences.

That's what they need to sort.out.

Reverend

Apparently the answer is more armed guards in schools. 
Why not just give everyone hand grenades? And maybe landmines as well. 
And maybe the head teachers can have a bazooka. That should make things even more safe  

Boromedic

Actually America has way more gun ownership than everywhere else. As a proportion it has 42% of all the registered guns in the world. This inaccurate reporting of places like Canada having more guns keeps popping up, but is distinctly untrue. This article explains it well, in that its more likely the amount of guns as the root cause rather than any particular American psyche argument. 

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/world/americas/mass-shootings-us-international.html?referer=http://m.facebook.com

If they have 42% of all legal weapons, I dread to think how many illegal weapons are in circulation.

JezWynd

There appears to be a locally (to the incident) based call to put guns on the political agenda - about f***ing time. If there is to be a change it's going to be a generational shift. Hip kids against guns has a ring to it.

digitalscream

Boromedic said:

Actually America has way more gun ownership than everywhere else. As a proportion it has 42% of all the registered guns in the world. This inaccurate reporting of places like Canada having more guns keeps popping up, but is distinctly untrue. This article explains it well, in that its more likely the amount of guns as the root cause rather than any particular American psyche argument. 

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/world/americas/mass-shootings-us-international.html?referer=http://m.facebook.com

If they have 42% of all legal weapons, I dread to think how many illegal weapons are in circulation.

For me, the telling statistic is that there are just over 101 registered guns in America for every 100 inhabitants.

An excellent reason not to go there, I think.

Grunfeld

dano said:

To me it's about the American psyche. As a nation they have huge underlying aggressivness to them.  A very real pasive agressiveness, you upset an American and he will happily get his gun to sort out differences.

I can't see that.  Americans are humans, humans don't change that much no matter where they are or when they are.
Culturally, yes, I get that this will make an impact.
But I suspect the "it's about" is that Americans have a shit load of guns. 
Proportionately they have just as many craz... interesting people as the rest of the world.
But that's a lot of interesting people with a shit load of guns to choose from.

dano

I work for a US company, one of the offices i spend a lot of time at is in Michigan.  They have a Carry and Conceal law there which makes it legal for people to bring their guns to work, the employer can't stop it. On a typical  day in a building of 500 people I can easily see 30 guns "discreetly" in coats on the back of  chairs. In some states they are all armed to the teeth.

VimFuego

I was in the army as a young man, I spent an awful lot of time around guns of varying descriptions, however as a regular course of events, unless we had a reason to carry one, they were always locked away. I can't imagine many circumstances in the average workplace where you're gonna need a gun.