Line 6 powercab

mr-mac

Personally if need that facility i think I'd rather just plug into a power amp in on a valve combo 

matt1973

I still need FRFR but desire the option of the amp-in-room feel too. So a tube combo won’t deliver that. I very much exist in the gap in the market Line 6 designed the PowerCab product for.

gearaddict

Is this essentially a powered PA speaker with built in cabinet modelling? Just trying to understand what it actually is. It's not a guitar 1x12 with a ss power amp is it?

SteveF

As I understand it, it is a powered FR speaker.  The modelling is speaker modelling (as opposed to cabinet modelling). From what I gather, you could use your e.g. Helix with your usual patch with your usual amp/cab models, or you can turn the cab modelling off on the helix and use the power cab's onboard speaker modelling. 

John_A

gearaddict said:

Is this essentially a powered PA speaker with built in cabinet modelling? Just trying to understand what it actually is. It's not a guitar 1x12 with a ss power amp is it?

You can use it as a FRFR speaker, or in modelling mode with the cab modelling turned off in your modeller to give you the sound of a normal 1x12 cab with a choice of speakers, if it's a success I would expect a 2x12 or maybe even a 4x12 to follow.  Suppose its to pacify all the people who say 'it just doesn't sound like an amp in the room'. I suppose we'll see, I hope so.

John_A

mr-mac said:

Personally if need that facility i think I'd rather just plug into a power amp in on a valve combo 

Then you're stuck with whatever speaker is in your cab.  If it really works as advertised I think it'll be great

simonk

£665 preorder for the plus at GAK compared to £718 almost everywhere else. Couldn’t resist...

Musicman20

£665 isn’t bad to be fair. 

gearaddict

John_A said:

gearaddict said:

Is this essentially a powered PA speaker with built in cabinet modelling? Just trying to understand what it actually is. It's not a guitar 1x12 with a ss power amp is it?

You can use it as a FRFR speaker, or in modelling mode with the cab modelling turned off in your modeller to give you the sound of a normal 1x12 cab with a choice of speakers, if it's a success I would expect a 2x12 or maybe even a 4x12 to follow.  Suppose its to pacify all the people who say 'it just doesn't sound like an amp in the room'. I suppose we'll see, I hope so.

But how is this miracle achieved?

Sounds like it is a kind of hybrid 12" speaker that's a bit of a cross between a PA speaker and traditional guitar cab speaker...

SteveF

Surely the speaker itself is FR and when it models a guitar speaker it just narrows the frequency response using high/low pass filters and presumably adds some other EQ changes in there to mimic the response of the modelled guitar speakers. (Which I’m sure is far more complex than I’ve just put it and they’ve spent a huge amount of time modelling each aspect of the speakers they have chosen) 

gearaddict

You'd think they would need a tweeter too though, no? Surely a single 12" FRFR would be a bit flubby?

gearaddict

...checked the specs. It has a 1" 'compression driver' as well as the 12" speaker.

sgosden

I wonder if this will get extended to a 2x12 option, so you can do different combinations, or if they'll aim for selling you two separate cabs.

mr-mac

John_A said:

mr-mac said:

Personally if need that facility i think I'd rather just plug into a power amp in on a valve combo 

Then you're stuck with whatever speaker is in your cab.  If it really works as advertised I think it'll be great

Yep but once you find what ya like... And if can havr an ir that matches it for your modellers output to PA then works quite well.  Yeah i know there will be reasons for some people you will want the speaker modelling too changing with patch but for me its not be all and end all yet 

John_A

^ see where you're coming from, but for me I would also have the option of running it flat for synths or acoustic which would sound awful through a normal cab.  It really does depend how good it sounds though, looking forward to trying one

Musicman20

https://celestion.com/product/200/f12x200/

I suspect more cabs will follow from other manufacturers.

gearaddict

Musicman20 said:

https://celestion.com/product/200/f12x200/

I suspect more cabs will follow from other manufacturers.

Ahhh...

Is that what's in the Line 6 unit?

matt1973

@simonk thanks for the heads up - ordered mine with GAK too. Look forward to posting a NAD when it arrives.

mrkb

gearaddict said:

Musicman20 said:

https://celestion.com/product/200/f12x200/

I suspect more cabs will follow from other manufacturers.

Ahhh...

Is that what's in the Line 6 unit?

So it’s a not flat full range (NFFR?) there’s a 10 dB hump at 2kHz.

matt1973

mrkb said:

gearaddict said:

Musicman20 said:

https://celestion.com/product/200/f12x200/

I suspect more cabs will follow from other manufacturers.

Ahhh...

Is that what's in the Line 6 unit?

So it’s a not flat full range (NFFR?) there’s a 10 dB hump at 2kHz.

Taken from Line6 product description:

What’s the reference speaker used?

Powercab features a custom designed 8Ω, 12" coaxial speaker that uses a guitar-style cone as opposed to a PA-style cone with a 2” high-temperature voice coil loosely based on the Eminence Beta 12CX format. The 1” compression driver is a Celestion CDX 1-1010, which is used only for Flat mode, monitor feeds, and user IR modes; it’s not utilized at all for speaker models.