CITES again... 500+ guitars seized

WezV

jpfamps said:

It's almost as if the aim is to make it as hard as possible to comply with the regs in the hope that people will simply throw the towel in.

I think that’s totally the aim... enough vague risk to put off many from even trying. Kill the demand to stop the trade

FelineGuitars

Supplier amended the shipping order - added a guitar or suchlike , and the two paperworks don't tally so full shipment seized . 

Full costs fall on Selectron...not fair really 
Was chatting to them about it yesterday.

Fretwired

richardhomer said:

A bit like ordering elephants to be killed because someone’s traded ivory.....

Bizarre.

Not really. It's like destroying ivory after the elephant has been killed so nobody profits from its death. If the aim is to protect trees then destroying the guitars makes sense.

guitars4you

Fretwired said:

richardhomer said:

A bit like ordering elephants to be killed because someone’s traded ivory.....

Bizarre.

Not really. It's like destroying ivory after the elephant has been killed so nobody profits from its death. If the aim is to protect trees then destroying the guitars makes sense.

the problem is once the ivory gets into the open market is who knows the elephant was dead from natural causes or shot/poached ? - So ban it all is the easy option for authorities

If you had something like a 200 year old hair brush with an ivory or tortoiseshell handle, then that is perfectly legal - decide to break it down for say fingerboard inlays or side dot markers and it becomes illegal

WezV

FelineGuitars said:

Supplier amended the shipping order - added a guitar or suchlike , and the two paperworks don't tally so full shipment seized . 

Full costs fall on Selectron...not fair really 
Was chatting to them about it yesterday.

Well that’s a bit of a bugger 

gavin_axecaster

FelineGuitars said:

Supplier amended the shipping order - added a guitar or suchlike , and the two paperworks don't tally so full shipment seized . 

Full costs fall on Selectron...not fair really 
Was chatting to them about it yesterday.

That sucks. I would expect the supplier to be accountable, but I assume they've already been paid so don't care.

Garthy

Well it’s a case of be careful what you wish for really. Nobody minded when my toys were taken away, now yours are.

Global Warming is bollocks, save the V8.

John_A

Garthy said:

Well it’s a case of be careful what you wish for really. Nobody minded when my toys were taken away, now yours are.

Global Warming is bollocks, save the V8.

Not for me I'm afraid, a bit too 'metal' for an old bloke

John_A

John_A said:

Garthy said:

Well it’s a case of be careful what you wish for really. Nobody minded when my toys were taken away, now yours are.

Global Warming is bollocks, save the V8.

Not for me I'm afraid, a bit too 'metal' for an old bloke

Sorry wrong thread, and can't seem to edit it on my iPad

octatonic

So if I am leaving the country and taking guitars with me (via a commercial shipper) will I need to get CITIES clearance for my rosewood equipped guitars?

I don't have receipts for some of them because they were bought, well, here.

Whitecat

octatonic said:

So if I am leaving the country and taking guitars with me (via a commercial shipper) will I need to get CITIES clearance for my rosewood equipped guitars?

I don't have receipts for some of them because they were bought, well, here.

Yes.

You'll need export permits on this end, and import permits at your destination.

Not sure what to do about no receipts - possibly proof that a serial number dates it to a certain year might be OK.

prlgmnr

So....

Maple fretboards, anyone?

Bridgehouse

I for one am massively relieved that a lot of rosewood has been saved by having a lot of rosewood destroyed.

Thank fuck for that.

Niallseroreilly

merlin said:

It's a bit like fighting for peace or fucking for virginity... 

carlin

octatonic

Whitecat said:

octatonic said:

So if I am leaving the country and taking guitars with me (via a commercial shipper) will I need to get CITIES clearance for my rosewood equipped guitars?

I don't have receipts for some of them because they were bought, well, here.

Yes.

You'll need export permits on this end, and import permits at your destination.

Not sure what to do about no receipts - possibly proof that a serial number dates it to a certain year might be OK.

OK, that might mean I am leaving a few things here then.

octatonic

prlgmnr said:

So....

Maple fretboards, anyone?

or Pau Ferro or Ziricote.

prlgmnr

octatonic said:

prlgmnr said:

So....

Maple fretboards, anyone?

or Pau Ferro or Ziricote.

What, and run the risk of someone setting your guitar on fire because "well, it's brown isn't it? get it on the bleedin' flaming heap 'o' tone before I toss you on as well"

Whitecat

Macassar ebony is my favourite most recent new rosewood alternative. It feels more like IRW than like west African ebony. 

octatonic

Whitecat said:

Macassar ebony is my favourite most recent new rosewood alternative. It feels more like IRW than like west African ebony. 

I have 3 guitars with Macassar ebony fingerboards (including a self-build)- it is an excellent wood but I would expect that it becomes restricted at some stage too.

jeztone2

I find it all very sinister, like burning books. Then you have the amount of local councils trying to kill off live music with db triggered power breakers in venues. Now we have the burning of musical instruments. They're doing the Talibans job for them.