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Back to School.
Following conformation from my surgeon that i will indeed be incarcerated at home for anything up to and maybe over 2 years, i have decided to use the time stuck in front of the laptop for more than arguing about tube screamers / the best amp for home use and watching porn. I only sleep for around 5 hours anyway because i do almost nothing so i have vowed to come out of this the player i want to be. With 36 years of bad habits to take apart and re learn properly, with absolutely no knowledge of the fretboard past a 5th fret pentatonic (box 1?) scale and the root notes all the way up the 5th e string i am up against it, but the upside of this is that i have 36 years of experience in my fingers so i'm not a beginner, i just know absolutely fuck all.
Actually as i write this, i have been doing some of the work and picked up a few nice things in the last few days so as of right now i don't know fuck all anymore but i do have a VERY long way to go still, so the very small success of the last few days is nothing more than a raised eyebrow and a small nod from my teacher.......who isn't really here.
I am using a book called 'The Complete Guitarist' by Richard Chapman and this is my copy from the 80's.
http://i.imgur.com/r5XPxuT.jpg?1
I have owned it all these years and yet i have never picked it up because i was too busy either working or rocking out (Badly).
I have a few goals.
Make the fretboard an extension of my fingers and my fingers an extension of the voice in my head
Learn to read / write music on the stave
Develop playing styles based around knowledge; Understand why a Solo is played where and how it is rather than just learning shapes and not understanding what they are doing
Learn to play in difficult time signatures (Although 'Rush' can still just piss off !)
Develop fretboard techinique to be able to play at all speeds cleanly with emphasis a style that suits the song.
Learn to stay the fuck away from the floyd rose tremolo until it's time to use the tremolo !!!
There's more and i will discover more as i move through this.
I thought it might be of some use to people reading it to see someone who desperately wanted to be a better player but never seemed to be able to get it off the ground, just sit down and do it.
Guitar/amp
Laptop + Broadband
Ears !
Books
Paper
Pens.
Yes i have a lot of time on my hands and that won't be the case for everyone but if something i post up here as i go is of some use to someone else, it's cool right ?
I am aiming to upload a video to You Tube regularly (TBC) called 'Musical Notes' and far from being entertaining, it will be covering what i'm learning that week / month / whatever. Think of it as a really boring podcast, unless you're trying to learn something in which case it might be interesting. These videos will be mistake and all, that's the point to show the progress and show it coming together.
I will also post the you tube videos i am using to gleen some technique and knowledge from as i go. Some are just excellent and leave me cold thinking i have got this far through my life without realising something which now seems so obvious !
If you're interested, bookmark it and i will update this thread as often as i can.
Here is my work for the next 7 days, starting tomorrow when i can buy some paper etc.
http://i.imgur.com/Z7hNaYE.jpg?1
I have to do all that without using the internet and only the sheets mentioned at the top of the page - no cheating.
As you can see i've got my work cut out this week and you know what?
After all those years of buying new 'Exciting' gear, piss-ups and jam sessions and just about everything else i've ever done on 6 strings, THIS is the most exciting thing i've ever done with a guitar.
Want to know why?
Because every time i get something under my fingers, i feel a little bit more that something really cool out there is waiting for me to be good enough to take it and with every success, that 'Thing' feels a little bit closer.
I will get back to rocking out when i can do it properly.
For now it's 8 hours per day of solid work,...............but it's not work.
It's SO MUCH FUN !!!
Hope you all enjoy the thread as it moves along.
Actually as i write this, i have been doing some of the work and picked up a few nice things in the last few days so as of right now i don't know fuck all anymore but i do have a VERY long way to go still, so the very small success of the last few days is nothing more than a raised eyebrow and a small nod from my teacher.......who isn't really here.
I am using a book called 'The Complete Guitarist' by Richard Chapman and this is my copy from the 80's.
http://i.imgur.com/r5XPxuT.jpg?1
I have owned it all these years and yet i have never picked it up because i was too busy either working or rocking out (Badly).
I have a few goals.
Make the fretboard an extension of my fingers and my fingers an extension of the voice in my head
Learn to read / write music on the stave
Develop playing styles based around knowledge; Understand why a Solo is played where and how it is rather than just learning shapes and not understanding what they are doing
Learn to play in difficult time signatures (Although 'Rush' can still just piss off !)
Develop fretboard techinique to be able to play at all speeds cleanly with emphasis a style that suits the song.
Learn to stay the fuck away from the floyd rose tremolo until it's time to use the tremolo !!!
There's more and i will discover more as i move through this.
I thought it might be of some use to people reading it to see someone who desperately wanted to be a better player but never seemed to be able to get it off the ground, just sit down and do it.
Guitar/amp
Laptop + Broadband
Ears !
Books
Paper
Pens.
Yes i have a lot of time on my hands and that won't be the case for everyone but if something i post up here as i go is of some use to someone else, it's cool right ?
I am aiming to upload a video to You Tube regularly (TBC) called 'Musical Notes' and far from being entertaining, it will be covering what i'm learning that week / month / whatever. Think of it as a really boring podcast, unless you're trying to learn something in which case it might be interesting. These videos will be mistake and all, that's the point to show the progress and show it coming together.
I will also post the you tube videos i am using to gleen some technique and knowledge from as i go. Some are just excellent and leave me cold thinking i have got this far through my life without realising something which now seems so obvious !
If you're interested, bookmark it and i will update this thread as often as i can.
Here is my work for the next 7 days, starting tomorrow when i can buy some paper etc.
http://i.imgur.com/Z7hNaYE.jpg?1
I have to do all that without using the internet and only the sheets mentioned at the top of the page - no cheating.
As you can see i've got my work cut out this week and you know what?
After all those years of buying new 'Exciting' gear, piss-ups and jam sessions and just about everything else i've ever done on 6 strings, THIS is the most exciting thing i've ever done with a guitar.
Want to know why?
Because every time i get something under my fingers, i feel a little bit more that something really cool out there is waiting for me to be good enough to take it and with every success, that 'Thing' feels a little bit closer.
I will get back to rocking out when i can do it properly.
For now it's 8 hours per day of solid work,...............but it's not work.
It's SO MUCH FUN !!!
Hope you all enjoy the thread as it moves along.
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I can't believe no-one's commented on this yet! Might be somehting to do with it (rightly) being in Technique......
Good for you @alnico ;; Something I think most of us would benefit from.
After listening through it from the link above, i just got that !
There's going to a be a lot of this kind of thing happen.
BTW if you read this and at ANY point i have got something wrong, you will only be helping me and serving the purpose of the thread by correcting me - all criticism welcome. I am mortally aware of how far down the ladder i am and i would be grateful to be told what i'm doing wrong at any point.
This is back to school to learn not to be cool.
Cool will come later when i can rip through the neck like...............................................like a big, rock guitar, rippy thing !
@Alnico. You don't need to buy musical stave paper. You can download it from various places, eg:
http://www.justinguitar.com/en/PA-000-BlankPaper.php
For now I'd stay in 4:4 time. You can graduate to 3:4 (Happy Birthday) and 7:4 (Money) later.
I will do that tomorrow.
Yes i will be staying for quite some time with basic stuff like 4:4. Using weird meters is something i want to progress to but that list in the OP is a general overview of my entire two year outlook. I am so far away from a lot of that.
I'm like a beginner that doesn't need to try at all with things like fretting, strumming, even phrasing i'm really not bad at but i have no knowledge to use with that skill under my fingers so everything i play sounds shit. It's not confident because it's a load of little guys running around the inside of my head shouting at each other and no one knows what the fuck is going on or what's coming up next. As well as developing the skill i have already with actually playing notes, i need to train those guys to work together and plan things out properly. I give them the information and they feed it back to me when i'm playing. That works for me. It helps me to visualise the inside of my head too, for some reason. Mind storage of all this information can be compartmentalised and visualising that as actual storage is a key part of doing it to me.
The way i see it, you can make your mind storage as fancy as you like, there's no cost involved. make it digital, make it whatever you want....................Make it a BATCAVE !!!
(I don't care who you are or what you do or how good you are at playing guitar, making a BATCAVE in your mind is a cool thing to do no matter what.)
YMMV
Massive thank you to Justin Sandercoe for these links and everything else he offers on his excellent website
www.justinguitar.com
Blank TAB.
Blank Stave and TAB for Transcribing.
Blank Manuscript.
Blank Chord Boxes.
Blank Chord Finder with Neck Diagram.
and found on a google search from www.unlocktheguitar.net here is a 24 fret neck diagram sheet to download. Use this to work out scales or for marking out and learning all the notes on the neck. If you've not got 24 frets, just ignore the last couple / few.
24 Fret Neck Diagram.
I am personally very grateful to @Roland for basically saving me around a tenner tomorrow in bought paper and i hope these links help someone else out with this kind of thing too.
Excellent.
I've broken up my time today.
1 hour studying note positions on the neck - Nigel Tuffnel had a good point !!!
2 hours studying the stave
2 hours setting up my amp (Saving user programs to presets, to save hours of tweaking when i should be practicing).
1 hour choosing plectrums online - Way more difficult that it looks !
Now i'm listening to the Sailors hornpipe and working out where to start it off on the neck.
I will probably be doing this most of the evening, just working out where it's easiest to play across the neck and where sounds the most consistent string to string.
Tomorrow i will divide my day into 1 hour blocks, alternating between trying to learn the patterns / finger movements and trying to notate it all properly.
It's difficult to remember a time in my life when i felt such a sense of achievement.
I wish i'd done this years ago !
I just learned where all the 'G' s are on the fretboard and where they all are on the stave (The range that applies to the range of the guitar strings).
Yeah you're right, Big Wow eh !
Well there are only so many notes to learn and i know one of them, by the end of this week i will know all that without thinking about it.
"That's one more Innit !"
What i have learned is that i won't properly control this guitar until i learn all this and when it's me versus the strings / the music, knowledge is power.
I've put off taking painkillers all day to get this far but i can;t take it anymore so that might be my best today but i will keep trying to do something productive tonight.
Rock n Roll and all that, eh !
Supportact said: [my style is] probably more an accumulation of limitations and bad habits than a 'style'.
The music however fascinates me.
Thanks for the link.
From my journey, to help you on your journey
Full on music theory, take a small bite at a time, along with everything else you are doing.
An interesting technique for exploring rhythms, both simple and complex...
Rhythms and poly-rhythms with a little indian spice
Some advice I was given on practicing and visualisation techniques
Effective practice some advice please
A useful discussion developing on picking technique and co-ordination / independence.
Right hand technique picking speed metronome times
This should give you some relaxing insight and inspiration...
Sit back, watch and gain a new perspective...
Learn how your hands work, be inspired by natures excellent engineering, and maybe a little understanding will help you protect yourself from injuries too ?
(RSI, or worse, is never fun)
> Human Hand <
Hope that helps
I will look through all of that and it will all help.
I'm really grateful.
On the image below it shows both the Treble and Bass Clef.
So far i have been learning that the full range of my guitar from the low E to the high E at fret 24 goes from an E which is usually written on a treble clef with THREE lines below it. That Low E (My 6th string open) is in the space below the THIRD line below the treble clef. The High E is above the SIXTH line above the treble clef. So far this has made sense.
I am looking for the best image to use as reference to draw my own stave out with all the notes on, onto A3 paper which is going on the wall in front of me. Stare at it all day every day and it will burn itself in. I am doing the same with the fretboard notes diagram and they are going to sit one on top of each other on the wall.
Am i best to think of this as that low E is actually on the Bass clef? I suppose at some point i will have something to do with a 7 string and surely that is then right into that bass clef range?
Have i got it right that a treble clef with lines below it (Except the first one below) is actually mimicking the bass clef?
If i should eventually be thinking of music in both treble and bass clef then i would like to start doing that right from the beginning so if anyone can tell me if i'm right or wrong that would be really helpful.
Cheers.
Ringleader of the Cambridge cartel, pedal champ and king of the dirt boxes (down to 21)
I won't turn down anything at the moment !
You know where the front door is and anyway you need to hear some of these amp models too now i've got the Vox sussed.
Be great to see you anytime man.
bass clef effectively starts one line below the treble clef
took me years to work that out
PS finding the right place on the neck to play hornpipe - why not find all the positions on the neck where you can play it - that will teach you so much about the neck, the notes and the relationships between intervals and strings
I have found exactly that by mistake by starting to try to find the notes an octave too low (Using open strings).
This is how i came to question the range of the guitar on the actual stave.
I am playing it now using the G at the 12th fret G string as a starting reference point and then playing that same pitch G on the B string at the 8th fret as my first note.
What i want to do is work through playing it up to speed and *know* the phrases properly and *then* see if i can move that around and find other positions which will have a different harmonic quality and also other octaves.
Thanks for confirming that for me about the Bass Clef.
I think for the sake of completeness i will just draw out a grand staff and learn to recognise both from the start. How much i use it in the future isn't really important right now. I don't want to start economising on what i learn, it's too much of an excuse to be lazy and the only way i will do this on my own (As in with no tutor in front of me) is to be strict about not skipping over stuff.
Knowledge is power.
@sev112
Thank you for your input.
Ok so while just working through the hornpipe i started trying out different places on the neck to play it, especially the runs up and down, trying to work out the fingering so i use all four fingers and keep them playing the frets they should be, especially the little finger.
Everything is going fine until i try it around the 12th fret and then a door opened.
I was watching a video by the inimitable 'Phil X' the other day and he was talking about 'Relative Minor and Major Scales' and how they are either a tone and a half up or down depending on whether you're in a major or minor scale to start with and while i'm looking at myself playing the hornpipe around the 12th fret (Starting on the 15th fret E string actually) and it all just clicked. I'm playing it using the E minor box 1 scale shape. Shift to Box position 2 for E minor and it's the G major scale.
That's three things that have clicked in the last 10 minutes.
Why didn't i do this years ago ???