Lazy J J20 manual

BBBlues

Just cause something does one thing doesn't make it flawed.

robinbowes

BBBlues said:

Just cause something does one thing doesn't make it flawed.

That's not what I said.

You are making exactly the same argument as I am.

R.

martinw

BBBlues said:

Just cause something does one thing doesn't make it flawed.

No, it's the flaws that make it flawed.

The 5E3 circuit is flawed from the point of view of a modern guitar player. The flaws were acceptable in the 50s due to the way the amps were used; low output, thin sounding pickups with the majority of the control being from the guitar's volume and tone pots, played predominantly clean. Later from the 60s on those flaws have become part of the sound and character and are now actually sought out.

I think the point you're trying to make is: "Just because something is flawed, doesn't mean it isn't good/useful/iconic/whatever".

BBBlues

Depends how you define flawed. As I said above in my examples, I don't find the circuit flawed just as I don't find an old p bass or old analog delay flawed.

simonk

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrqihr52pc1r3pcbso1_400.gif

Lebarque

Wood or laminate flaws?

kjdowd

Lebarque said:

Wood or laminate flaws?

I think that it is a sign of getting older that I laughed out loud at that.

57Deluxe

Here is a Fender  5e3 Deluxe in it's heyday cica 1959

http://i66.tinypic.com/2vcjmfb.jpg

JohnPerry

i bet that came with a manual

kreggs

57Deluxe said:

Here is a Fender  5e3 Deluxe in it's heyday cica 1959

http://i66.tinypic.com/2vcjmfb.jpg

Hmm i dunno that picture does look a bit flawed!

JohnPerry

yep, that fella's struggling without reverb and trem modules and he knows it

Lebarque

Doubt he's got a Celestion Blue in there either. Tsk.

martinw

BBBlues said:

Depends how you define flawed. As I said above in my examples, I don't find the circuit flawed just as I don't find an old p bass or old analog delay flawed.

Long reply deleted. Decided I don't give a ****.

professorben

I feel my work here is done. 

JohnPerry

^^not so fast. Anyone got a manual for a Champ?

professorben

I've played one once.....

It was along with a 633, and a Cornell????Cornford? anyway some other tweed thing the size of a shoebox. 

It honestly left me cold, I can't see why they get such rave reviews? 

It didn't do clean, it didn't do dirt, it just kinda was an amp. 

I didn't mean to derail the thread, just made me chuckle that such a simple amp comes with a 'guidebook' no less. 

JohnPerry

did you crank it

professorben

JohnPerry said:

did you crank it

No why???

JohnPerry

it's not really alive till you wind it up a bit, the J20

JohnPerry

maybe it says that in the manual