Edwin Wilson has left Gibson Custom Shop

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guitars4youguitars4you Frets: 6419
edited May 2017 in Guitar tFB Trader
Following @RandallFlagg 's post - http://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/101498/anyone-know-whats-happening-at-gibson-custom-with-regards-the-reissues#latest - an update 

Interesting comments from a couple of guys who are well connected within the trade at the Bristol Guitar Show that Edwin Wilson and Gibson have parted company - To those who don't know, but Edwin effectively ran the Custom Shop division from day one - there is this link on the LP forum, but I've not got time to read 24 pages http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/threads/what-is-going-on-at-gibson.387170/ - I've not seen any press release from Gibson, but I suspect it would be heavily distorted and one sided

As a side note remember it was not to long ago that Fender and Mike Eldred parted company within the Custom Shop team and if anything, the C/Shop division has improved and 2016 was their best year yet regarding sales/production - Although Mike was not part of the team in the early days - Whereas Edwin was effectively Mr Custom Shop from day one
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  • SkippedSkipped Frets: 2219
    If you put a Pre-Historic Gibson Les Paul next to a Historic Les Paul, and then examine them both very carefully, you may come to the conclusion that the materials and the build quality of a Custom Shop guitar was better before there was a seperate Custom Shop.

    Of course.....after that we would have to discuss "accuracy".
    What does accuracy mean?
    The trapezoid inlays on a 1993 to 2011 Gibson Historic are made from (poor quality) plectrum material. That wasn't very accurate.



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  • OssyrocksOssyrocks Frets: 1077
    If you follow Richard Henry on Instagram, he says a major Gibson dealer has told him there will be no more historics from Gibson Custom!

    I'm hanging on to mine now, who knows where it will go in the future.

    Rob
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  • IvisonGuitarsIvisonGuitars Frets: 6017
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    @Ossyrocks My pal is head of Gibson Custom Shop Europe and talking to him, I dont think it's as cut and dried as that but there are some changes ahead apparently.
    http://www.ivisonguitars.com
    (formerly miserneil)
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  • SidNewtonSidNewton Frets: 486
    So @miserneil, what are the chances of them knocking out some vintage spec Les Paul Juniors which don't cost 4K? That itch isn't going away anytime soon.
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  • stickyfiddlestickyfiddle Frets: 13370
    I have to say if they start blowing out CS Rx Les Pauls on Amazon I'll be first in line!
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  • SassafrasSassafras Frets: 18273
    Skipped said:
    If you put a Pre-Historic Gibson Les Paul next to a Historic Les Paul, and then examine them both very carefully, you may come to the conclusion that the materials and the build quality of a Custom Shop guitar was better before there was a seperate Custom Shop.



    Crikey!
    They've been around a lot longer than I realised.
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  • miserneil said:
    @Ossyrocks My pal is head of Gibson Custom Shop Europe and talking to him, I dont think it's as cut and dried as that but there are some changes ahead apparently.
    As of the time that Edwin was sacked, mark that as the end of my patronage of Gibson on an on-going basis...I will not buy a single thing from Gibson from that date forward. They can stick their plans, along with their guitars up their arse. 

    There used to be a Guitar company there....

    Anyone got Nik Huber's phone number? 


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  • IvisonGuitarsIvisonGuitars Frets: 6017
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    SidNewton said:
    So @miserneil, what are the chances of them knocking out some vintage spec Les Paul Juniors which don't cost 4K? That itch isn't going away anytime soon.
    Very slim I would say.....but I dare say I could help you with that, drop me a PM if interested ;)
    http://www.ivisonguitars.com
    (formerly miserneil)
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  • stuagustuagu Frets: 322
    miserneil said:
    @Ossyrocks My pal is head of Gibson Custom Shop Europe and talking to him, I dont think it's as cut and dried as that but there are some changes ahead apparently.
    As of the time that Edwin was sacked, mark that as the end of my patronage of Gibson on an on-going basis...I will not buy a single thing from Gibson from that date forward. They can stick their plans, along with their guitars up their arse. 

    There used to be a Guitar company there....

    Anyone got Nik Huber's phone number? 


    ... but what about the "supertrue historic true superhistoric true beter than the last historic true historic " range of guitars thatl be comig soon paul? :)
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  • SidNewtonSidNewton Frets: 486
    edited May 2017
    miserneil said:
    SidNewton said:
    So @miserneil, what are the chances of them knocking out some vintage spec Les Paul Juniors which don't cost 4K? That itch isn't going away anytime soon.
    Very slim I would say.....but I dare say I could help you with that, drop me a PM if interested
    Pm'd Neil.
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  • prowlaprowla Frets: 2029
    I've never owned a Gibson.
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  • Philly_QPhilly_Q Frets: 7253
    edited May 2017
    So if they're (possibly) not going to do Historics what are they going to do?  Will Gibson Custom become an actual made-to-order custom shop?  Or will it just produce random things for collectors like an upmarket version of the old Guitar Of The Week?
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  • stuagu said:
    miserneil said:
    @Ossyrocks My pal is head of Gibson Custom Shop Europe and talking to him, I dont think it's as cut and dried as that but there are some changes ahead apparently.
    As of the time that Edwin was sacked, mark that as the end of my patronage of Gibson on an on-going basis...I will not buy a single thing from Gibson from that date forward. They can stick their plans, along with their guitars up their arse. 

    There used to be a Guitar company there....

    Anyone got Nik Huber's phone number? 


    ... but what about the "supertrue historic true superhistoric true beter than the last historic true historic " range of guitars thatl be comig soon paul? :)
    Bugger, forgot about them..

    Right, after the superhistoric,true, betterthanthelasttruehistoric range...I'm done....out.

    I'm going to PRS...I've got an ironing board, so I'm already half way there...


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  • WhitecatWhitecat Frets: 2814
    Philly_Q said:
    Will Gibson Custom become an actual made-to-order custom shop?  
    This is indeed what I've heard from a couple UK sources. 
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  • Whitecat said:
    Philly_Q said:
    Will Gibson Custom become an actual made-to-order custom shop?  
    This is indeed what I've heard from a couple UK sources. 
    yes.
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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 5785
    Whitecat said:
    Philly_Q said:
    Will Gibson Custom become an actual made-to-order custom shop?  
    This is indeed what I've heard from a couple UK sources. 
    yes.
    Will they still make guitars for stock?  I wouldn't want to put down that kind of money on something I couldn't try first.
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  • BrizeBrize Frets: 3474
    crunchman said:

    Will they still make guitars for stock?  I wouldn't want to put down that kind of money on something I couldn't try first.
    A bit like the Fender Custom Shop, I guess dealers will spec their own runs for stock.
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  • guitars4youguitars4you Frets: 6419
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    Brize said:
    crunchman said:

    Will they still make guitars for stock?  I wouldn't want to put down that kind of money on something I couldn't try first.
    A bit like the Fender Custom Shop, I guess dealers will spec their own runs for stock.
    Obviously details to follow but I would imagine appropriate dealers will have a stock of a few 'popular' custom ideas - Regarding Fender Custom Shop, I find that 1 in 30 sales are actual customer orders in that they totally spec the guitar and weight 6 months for it to arrive - 29 out of 30 buy something from stock - No dealer can cover all options but having a good selection in stock like Coda, Peach and myself (plus others) ensures a good selection for you to check out - I dare say Gibson will adopt a similar option - Will have to see what you can actually select regarding fret size, neck profile amongst other option - My main choice would be 6100 or 6150 frets over the binding, so no nibs (otherwise a good 59 would be okay)
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  • BrizeBrize Frets: 3474
    guitars4you said:

    My main choice would be 6100 or 6150 frets over the binding, so no nibs
    No nibs? Good luck with selling that concept to the cork sniffers!
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    Brize said:
    guitars4you said:

    My main choice would be 6100 or 6150 frets over the binding, so no nibs
    No nibs? Good luck with selling that concept to the cork sniffers!
    just an option I personally  like on LP's - many good refrets that I've seen, that have been done this way play better than the 'rail track' frets that so many Gibson's use - IMO - I've a Joe B 335 like that and I recall some Joe B LP's are like this as well

    Plus if they are only going to buy 'cork sniffer' models then why bother having Custom options
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  • BrizeBrize Frets: 3474
    guitars4you said:

    just an option I personally  like on LP's
    I like it as well - I'm not fussed about nibs personally.
    Plus if they are only going to buy 'cork sniffer' models then why bother having Custom options
    Yeah, you'd think that Gibson know their market. Oh, wait...
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    Brize said:
    Plus if they are only going to buy 'cork sniffer' models then why bother having Custom options
    Yeah, you'd think that Gibson know their market. Oh, wait...
    it will interesting so see what options they come up with - I suppose the Meccano hot rod nature of a Strat means they are so suitable and adaptable to so many options - I see Gibson mainly offering neck profile, pick up choice and colour options but unsure how much beyond this they will go if a base model is vintage
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  • underdogunderdog Frets: 6348
    Brize said:
    guitars4you said:

    My main choice would be 6100 or 6150 frets over the binding, so no nibs
    No nibs? Good luck with selling that concept to the cork sniffers!
    just an option I personally  like on LP's - many good refrets that I've seen, that have been done this way play better than the 'rail track' frets that so many Gibson's use - IMO - I've a Joe B 335 like that and I recall some Joe B LP's are like this as well

    Plus if they are only going to buy 'cork sniffer' models then why bother having Custom options


    Completely agree fret over binding means I don't have to adjust my technique to not pull the high e off the fret
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  • RoxRox Frets: 2130
    edited May 2017
    Edwin Wilson and the Gibson Custom Shop sounds like a classic Motown band.

    Anyhoo, perhaps they're head hunting some well-known replica makers who manage more accuracy as a solo enterprise?

    How long before someone says...
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  • professorbenprofessorben Frets: 4825
    His old stuff was better IMHO

    War is an amazing song. 
    " Why does it smell of bum?" Mrs Professorben.
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  • SassafrasSassafras Frets: 18273
    Rox said:
    Edwin Wilson and the Gibson Custom Shop sounds like a classic Motown band.

    Anyhoo, perhaps they're head hunting some well-known replica makers who manage more accuracy as a solo enterprise?

    How long before someone says...
    M D Phillips.
    There, I've said it.
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  • richardhomerrichardhomer Frets: 20764
    Slightly off-topic I played an R7 today, from around 2006. Given that I'm not a Les Paul player, or much of a fan of the modern Gibson company, I was amazed to find I absolutely loved it.

    Sensible weight - so it balanced nicely, great neck profile, lovely playability - and sounded great. Played it back to back with a used Standard fitted with Throbaks - it wiped the floor with it.

    Would happily have bought it, if I had the cash....
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  • jeztone2jeztone2 Frets: 1219
    Brize said:
    crunchman said:

    Will they still make guitars for stock?  I wouldn't want to put down that kind of money on something I couldn't try first.
    A bit like the Fender Custom Shop, I guess dealers will spec their own runs for stock.
    Obviously details to follow but I would imagine appropriate dealers will have a stock of a few 'popular' custom ideas - Regarding Fender Custom Shop, I find that 1 in 30 sales are actual customer orders in that they totally spec the guitar and weight 6 months for it to arrive - 29 out of 30 buy something from stock - No dealer can cover all options but having a good selection in stock like Coda, Peach and myself (plus others) ensures a good selection for you to check out - I dare say Gibson will adopt a similar option - Will have to see what you can actually select regarding fret size, neck profile amongst other option - My main choice would be 6100 or 6150 frets over the binding, so no nibs (otherwise a good 59 would be okay)
    Finally a dealer who talks about fret size. Yaaaaaay!!!
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