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http://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/57632/
I've always wondered how many of Aspen's vintage Marshalls are fakes, given that.
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
Quite a clever strategy when you think about it. Most people wont question the information and photos found in books. God knows how many "exceptionally rare" brown pinstripe amps they sold as a result.
Just so much one reads about vintage gear has 'scam' written all over it, as with those reports of a deal been negotiated to sell a Korina Explorer for over a million Dollars, with just who the buyer and seller were, and the provenance of the guitar involved not been made public. This was announced just as another Explorer with very, very doubtful provenance 'happened' to come on to the market for a mere 800,000 Dollars, with the same names apparently being involved in both sales! It's almost as if the first sale was made up in order to make anyone buying the second think they had got a bargain!
https://reverb.com/uk/news/58-gibson-explorer-breaks-guitar-sale-record
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
The legendary Fender Doncaster.......
That pretty much is the story. They got hold of a brown roll from somewhere and used it to make lash-ups. Then to help sell the lashups they contributed information and example amps to several books saying that it was "exceptionally rare". Theres a red bluesbreaker with the brown pinstripe shown in the Richie Flieger book I mentioned.
MG also used a grey repro material and it can be found on a lot of the old fakes. Here is an example:
Don't forget these are old fakes from the 80's and 90's. They will be doing it a lot more convincingly thesedays - swapping genuine parts and artifically ageing them. The old repro parts and faked speakers are too eays to spot now with the internet at everyones fingertips. Like I said, have a look at their current stock on reverb.com
There are lots of things wrong with this speaker but without mentioning every detail the most obvious is that a genuine 21FM (supposedly 21st June 1967) date stamp would be on the front gasket, not on the frame. Also that style of Celestion frame with the four 'tabs' is no earlier than mid 1969.
Often they would slap a white Marshall label on the back too. Ignorant of the fact Marshall never used the T1217.
There's salt in the water, be careful where you drink.
(formerly miserneil)
I often think of the old adage of a fool and his money being easily parted, but that just doesn't really cut it here. Some very knowledgeable people have fallen for these charlatans, so something I can't quite put my finger on is at play here.
I've just typed 'Music Ground' into Google. The first 2 stories are of Justin Harrison's court case and the Fake Britain article, the next is a link to Denmark Street Guitars, their latest 'front'. How are people not picking up on this??
(formerly miserneil)
The London geezer, that you know too...Mr. M, has forgotten more about these amps than I'm ever likely to know. In this post modern world, the required humility to actually know that, and have the grace to ask for guidance, is at a premium. That I believe feeds into the miscreants business model. The internet does not a Vintage Marshall expert make.
If I've ever got a question on Thames Ditton, believe me, I'd make a polite approach to your good self.
The straight shooters are thorns in the sides of those with mischief in mind.