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dean111musicdean111music Frets: 180
edited January 2019 in Guitar
Anyone heard of these? 

I always loved Julian Lage Telecaster that he has been using for a while. I genuinely thought it was a vintage fender but recently found out that Nacho Guitars built it for him.



http://www.nachoguitars.com/pressvideos/
https://www.instagram.com/jlage/

I'm not to sure on cost for one of these. But they look on par with Dancasters.


I think Julian did tour with a Danocaster previously so looks likes he has taken more to this one. 

There are a lot of companies that relic guitars and all the UK companies on here look amazing but to get a guitar to look, play and feel like a real vintage tele must be hard?





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  • dean111musicdean111music Frets: 180
    edited January 2019

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  • If you have a thing for Blackguard teles you really owe it to yourself to get a copy of Nacho's book.......out of print now I think but they pop up on eBay quite regularly. He's photographed and handled quite a few vintage teles at this point so I would be optimistic he at least knows what he's trying to recreate with his guitars?
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  • just had a quick look, the book sells for £280 - £320!!
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  • its a lot of money! but at least you will get something close back. You can even get a full refund after 48 hours with guitar if your not happy with it
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  • AdeyAdey Frets: 415
    Out of curiosity, how do you tell if a relic'd guitar has been damaged in that 48 hours?

    Also, if you have increase the relic'dness of it, by accidentally dropping it on the gravel in the driveway to your home for instance, might it also add value, so you would get a bigger credit when returning said instrument than what you had paid?
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  • chris78chris78 Frets: 2114
    just had a quick look, the book sells for £280 - £320!!
    The book is about £150. Email Nacho and he’ll post a signed copy. 
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  • chris78chris78 Frets: 2114
    In terms of the guitars, I’d love to try one. I’ve not seen a review that is anything other than glowing. Nacho knows everything about blackguard teles- just read his book. Even the necks that musikraft make based on his measurements are miles more vintage feeling than custom shop guitars. I’d imagine his guitars are seriously special. They’re expensive, but compared to a Dale Wilson relic? 
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  • Strat54Strat54 Frets: 1460
    Lage had the Danocaster first then bought a '54 refin Blackguard from Fiesta Finishes, he toured with that for a short while before the Nachocaster arrived. Both that and the Danocaster have Ron Ellis pickups. 
    Nacho Banos is a Tele authority and underground legend. Nice guy, really really knows his stuff. I've played one, and it was pretty amazing especially to look at as well as to play. Saw one used for 3500 Euro last month, it sold in a day. There's one on Reverb now for over £5k.
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  • Nacho is a fantastic guy, very very accommodating when I spoke to him. I also have the book and it’s a joy to own it. I regularly pick it up for inspiration. The photographic detail is a work of art.

    His guitar are worth every penny of the asking price when you consider the price matched competition.
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  • Adey said:
    Out of curiosity, how do you tell if a relic'd guitar has been damaged in that 48 hours?

    Also, if you have increase the relic'dness of it, by accidentally dropping it on the gravel in the driveway to your home for instance, might it also add value, so you would get a bigger credit when returning said instrument than what you had paid?
    Take a look at his website. He has some guitars for sale. Very extensive pictures. http://www.nachoguitars.com/my-product/1952-blackguard-3752/

    Inside all cavities too. 

    The guitar goes out as a piece of art, it may look messy but if you add in more colours it will lose value. I guess the artist had a vision. you can't really mess with that 
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  • Nacho only releases about a dozen guitars every few months. There’s no shortage of punters although he has said he won’t continue building for much longer. 

    The attention to detail is above and beyond anything the custom shop at fender would ever be able to do. The guys at the CS have got a certain amount of time to churn their work out, Nacho can do what he wants. 

    dean111music said:
    Anyone heard of these? 

    I always loved Julian Lage Telecaster that he has been using for a while. I genuinely thought it was a vintage fender but recently found out that Nacho Guitars built it for him.



    http://www.nachoguitars.com/pressvideos/
    https://www.instagram.com/jlage/

    I'm not to sure on cost for one of these. But they look on par with Dancasters.


    I think Julian did tour with a Danocaster previously so looks likes he has taken more to this one. 

    There are a lot of companies that relic guitars and all the UK companies on here look amazing but to get a guitar to look, play and feel like a real vintage tele must be hard?





    A donacaster wouldn’t come close in terms of historical accuracy compared with nachos work although both are lovely looking instruments in their own rights.
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  • lonestar said:
    Nacho only releases about a dozen guitars every few months. There’s no shortage of punters although he has said he won’t continue building for much longer. 

    The attention to detail is above and beyond anything the custom shop at fender would ever be able to do. The guys at the CS have got a certain amount of time to churn their work out, Nacho can do what he wants. 

    dean111music said:
    Anyone heard of these? 

    I always loved Julian Lage Telecaster that he has been using for a while. I genuinely thought it was a vintage fender but recently found out that Nacho Guitars built it for him.



    http://www.nachoguitars.com/pressvideos/
    https://www.instagram.com/jlage/

    I'm not to sure on cost for one of these. But they look on par with Dancasters.


    I think Julian did tour with a Danocaster previously so looks likes he has taken more to this one. 

    There are a lot of companies that relic guitars and all the UK companies on here look amazing but to get a guitar to look, play and feel like a real vintage tele must be hard?





    A donacaster wouldn’t come close in terms of historical accuracy compared with nachos work although both are lovely looking instruments in their own rights.
    thanks!

    So he builds blackguards as close to original. vintage frets and vintage frets, baseball bat neck etc?

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  • how come he won't be building for much longer? 

    Would that mean guitars would then be more valuable?
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  • how come he won't be building for much longer? 

    Would that mean guitars would then be more valuable?
    He seemed to originally concentrate on blackguards but you’ll notice that he also does strats and variants of teles with varying specs. He’s basically hinted that he won’t be continuing to build because of the time it takes. 
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  • SchnozzSchnozz Frets: 1235
    The cheapest sounding guitar you can buy, where a £100 one can sound the same as a £6000.

    Ahh, the Telecaster...Pure shit.
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  • mgawmgaw Frets: 3755
    /\ hope not cos I am thinking of buying a Nacho 
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  • mgaw said:
    /\ hope not cos I am thinking of buying a Nacho 
    As you can tell, @Schnozz isn’t a tele fan ;) take no notice 


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  • ZoolooterZoolooter Frets: 591
    They were 3200 Euros a few years back 
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  • From reading it’s same as Danocaster good relic and great end result but it is just bought in parts assembled. 
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  • chris78chris78 Frets: 2114
    From reading it’s same as Danocaster good relic and great end result but it is just bought in parts assembled. 
    I’m sure Nacho would be honest if you asked, but from what I’ve read on tdpri, these are hand built from start to finish. The neck carves are apparently pretty unique.
    Regardless though, the thing that sets these apart is the quality of ageing. The pictures I’ve seen look exactly like the blackguards in Nacho’s book. He seems to have got the technique of the paint sinking in, which I’ve not seen anyone else replicate.
    The thing that’s always made me gas for one is that some seriously talented pros who are blackguard owners have been hugely complimentary about the work Nacho has done.
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  • From reading it’s same as Danocaster good relic and great end result but it is just bought in parts assembled. 
    You make it sound so easy ;) but no, it’s not done this way
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  • How much is an original blackguard?

    its a lot of money but I’m guessing a fraction of the cost of original. I bet it has the same feel, tone and Mojo about these Nacho’s.

    i really want! 
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  • Strat54Strat54 Frets: 1460
    How much is an original blackguard?

    its a lot of money but I’m guessing a fraction of the cost of original. I bet it has the same feel, tone and Mojo about these Nacho’s.

    i really want! 
    A real blackguard Tele would cost you circa £25k+ so yes at £6k+ these are a quarter of that, but even by Nacho's own admission they don't have the same feel as an original. He's very open about this, its in an interview with him online.
     I'd guess also with 6015 frets and a 9.5" radius they are unlikely too either. I've played both and whilst the Nacho was a great great Tele, it still sounded to me like a new guitar. I've played a number of old 50's Tele's and they have a thing of their own going on that no one has been able to duplicate yet with a new one. 
    Carson Hess makes incredible replica's too, would love to play one of his. 


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  • So I emailed him and I was totally wrong. 

    “the wood is cut using CNC programs which we created. Final shaping is done by hand. Some parts like pots are custom made for us. We make our own jack cups, string trees, string ferrules, and knobs. We wind our own pickups. We cut our own pick guards. I’m running a small guitar factory I don’t work by myself I have people working for me who do things the way I like. Bridge plates, strap buttons and tuners are sourced from vendors.”

    Now I want one
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  • Strat54Strat54 Frets: 1460
    So I emailed him and I was totally wrong. 

    “the wood is cut using CNC programs which we created. Final shaping is done by hand. Some parts like pots are custom made for us. We make our own jack cups, string trees, string ferrules, and knobs. We wind our own pickups. We cut our own pick guards. I’m running a small guitar factory I don’t work by myself I have people working for me who do things the way I like. Bridge plates, strap buttons and tuners are sourced from vendors.”

    Now I want one
    This is a good interview with all the detail you need. Most one man companies don't cut their own bodies or necks, they just have them made to thier own specs. SVL don't yet they are legendary. Joseph Kaye does his here in the UK. Rutters guitars cut from raw timber and machine their hardware.

    https://www.fretboardjournal.com/columns/bench-press-ignacio-banos-nachoguitars/
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  • chris78chris78 Frets: 2114
    lonestar said:
    Nacho only releases about a dozen guitars every few months. There’s no shortage of punters although he has said he won’t continue building for much longer. 

    The attention to detail is above and beyond anything the custom shop at fender would ever be able to do. The guys at the CS have got a certain amount of time to churn their work out, Nacho can do what he wants. 

    dean111music said:
    Anyone heard of these? 

    I always loved Julian Lage Telecaster that he has been using for a while. I genuinely thought it was a vintage fender but recently found out that Nacho Guitars built it for him.



    http://www.nachoguitars.com/pressvideos/
    https://www.instagram.com/jlage/

    I'm not to sure on cost for one of these. But they look on par with Dancasters.


    I think Julian did tour with a Danocaster previously so looks likes he has taken more to this one. 

    There are a lot of companies that relic guitars and all the UK companies on here look amazing but to get a guitar to look, play and feel like a real vintage tele must be hard?





    A donacaster wouldn’t come close in terms of historical accuracy compared with nachos work although both are lovely looking instruments in their own rights.
    thanks!

    So he builds blackguards as close to original. vintage frets and vintage frets, baseball bat neck etc?

    Blackguards didn’t have baseball bat necks. They’re big, but typically soft v shape. Fender’s baja or 56 v is probably closer than the u shaped necks Fender use. I’m sure I read that nacho had spoken to Fender about how their necks weren’t correct, but they weren’t interested. A lot of the blackguards, especially early, had 9.5 radius as well. 
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  • chris78 said:
    lonestar said:
    Nacho only releases about a dozen guitars every few months. There’s no shortage of punters although he has said he won’t continue building for much longer. 

    The attention to detail is above and beyond anything the custom shop at fender would ever be able to do. The guys at the CS have got a certain amount of time to churn their work out, Nacho can do what he wants. 

    dean111music said:
    Anyone heard of these? 

    I always loved Julian Lage Telecaster that he has been using for a while. I genuinely thought it was a vintage fender but recently found out that Nacho Guitars built it for him.



    http://www.nachoguitars.com/pressvideos/
    https://www.instagram.com/jlage/

    I'm not to sure on cost for one of these. But they look on par with Dancasters.


    I think Julian did tour with a Danocaster previously so looks likes he has taken more to this one. 

    There are a lot of companies that relic guitars and all the UK companies on here look amazing but to get a guitar to look, play and feel like a real vintage tele must be hard?





    A donacaster wouldn’t come close in terms of historical accuracy compared with nachos work although both are lovely looking instruments in their own rights.
    thanks!

    So he builds blackguards as close to original. vintage frets and vintage frets, baseball bat neck etc?

    Blackguards didn’t have baseball bat necks. They’re big, but typically soft v shape. Fender’s baja or 56 v is probably closer than the u shaped necks Fender use. I’m sure I read that nacho had spoken to Fender about how their necks weren’t correct, but they weren’t interested. A lot of the blackguards, especially early, had 9.5 radius as well. 
    wow thats very interesting. 

    So the Nacho Guitars are even closer than we think? @Strat54 ?
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  • fret size he uses .095 x 0.47 which is a great size fret! in-between a 6150 and 6105. For me that is ideal.

    I didn't realise that the radius where 9.5 on blackguards!
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