Jazzmaster. Alternatives to vintage style tuners?

Creed_Clicks

Hi all. Another Jazzmaster query. I have a neck with tuner bushing hole measurements as follows: 8.6mm / .0340”

I'm not too sure what size I should be looking for. I may have to go for vintage style tuners if I have to, but are there any modern style tuners that would fit the above measurements?

ICBM

Any, if you have a reamer!

Creed_Clicks

I suppose so... 

barnstorm

Assuming your dislike of the vintage ones is to do with the way they work and not the way they look, Gotoh Vintage Locking might be the answer. I had them on a 50s CP Strat and thought they were good.

You'd soon get used to the standard vintage style, though.

Creed_Clicks

@barnstorm yep, it's the way they work. I'd prefer modern ones if I could choose, but I could live with vintage ones if it comes to it. Just exploring my options now.

barnstorm

You should get on with the Gotohs, then.

Creed_Clicks

barnstorm said:

You should get on with the Gotohs, then.

Silly question, but I see a few options? Which would be the best?

barnstorm

Not sure of the Gotoh product code as they were fitted as standard to the CP 50s, but these are the ones:

https://www.stewmac.com/Hardware_and_Parts/Tuning_Machines/Solid_Peghead_Guitar_Tuning_Machines/Gotoh_Locking_Vintage_Oval_Knob_6-In-Line_Tuners.html

meltedbuzzbox

How do you not prefer split post tuners?
Super simply to use and no sharp string ends to catch on anything.

FatPete

Hipshot make modern-style locking tuners that fit vintage-size holes.

https://www.axesrus.co.uk/Hipshot-Griplock-Machine-heads-Set-Vintage-p/6k1vel0.htm

Creed_Clicks

FatPete said:

Hipshot make modern-style locking tuners that fit vintage-size holes.

https://www.axesrus.co.uk/Hipshot-Griplock-Machine-heads-Set-Vintage-p/6k1vel0.htm

Measurements on the neck I have are 8.6mm. I take it then that 8.5mm spec tuners would be the wrong option?

Lebarque

meltedbuzzbox said:

How do you not prefer split post tuners?
Super simply to use and no sharp string ends to catch on anything.

This. Gotoh split post for the win. Poke it down the hole and away you go, fnar fnar. Easy and rock solid. I've done the locking, staggered thing, but am back to simple split posts with a (lubed) string tree and I've never been happier.

Creed_Clicks

Lebarque said:

meltedbuzzbox said:

How do you not prefer split post tuners?
Super simply to use and no sharp string ends to catch on anything.

This. Gotoh split post for the win. Poke it down the hole and away you go, fnar fnar. Easy and rock solid. I've done the locking, staggered thing, but am back to simple split posts with a (lubed) string tree and I've never been happier.

So, as posted earlier, these might be the ones?

https://www.stewmac.com/Hardware_and_Parts/Tuning_Machines/Solid_Peghead_Guitar_Tuning_Machines/Gotoh_Locking_Vintage_Oval_Knob_6-In-Line_Tuners.html

Funkfingers

Lebarque said:

I've done the locking, staggered thing but am back to simple split posts with a (lubed) string tree and I've never been happier.

What he said.

Locking 'heads will secure your strings at the headstock end. They can do nothing to improve the shenanigans at the bridge/tailpiece end.

I have a set of Kluson MLV6LN locking 'heads. They fit the vintage drilled holes and, from a distance, look like the vintage items EXCEPT the string posts are quite a bit taller. 

barnstorm

Creed_Clicks said:

Lebarque said:

meltedbuzzbox said:

How do you not prefer split post tuners?
Super simply to use and no sharp string ends to catch on anything.

This. Gotoh split post for the win. Poke it down the hole and away you go, fnar fnar. Easy and rock solid. I've done the locking, staggered thing, but am back to simple split posts with a (lubed) string tree and I've never been happier.

So, as posted earlier, these might be the ones?

https://www.stewmac.com/Hardware_and_Parts/Tuning_Machines/Solid_Peghead_Guitar_Tuning_Machines/Gotoh_Locking_Vintage_Oval_Knob_6-In-Line_Tuners.html

They don't work like vintage tuners at all. Although it looks like a split post on those pics, it isn't; there's just a groove across the top of the post into which you can stick a coin or a screwdriver head to release the string. You push the string through the hole just below the top of the post and as you start winding a rod rises inside the post and locks the string.

andy1839's guitar in the classifieds shows it well:

http://oi66.tinypic.com/2qjk4y1.jpg

It tends to be the first experience of changing the high E that puts people off vintage tuners, but the design is inherently a good one.

Creed_Clicks

I might just suck it up and go for these - https://shop.fender.com/en-IE/parts/electric-guitar-parts/tuning-machines/classicgear-tuning-machines/0990802100.html

meltedbuzzbox

Creed_Clicks said:

I might just suck it up and go for these - https://shop.fender.com/en-IE/parts/electric-guitar-parts/tuning-machines/classicgear-tuning-machines/0990802100.html

Buy gotoh. They will be much cheaper and easily as good

Creed_Clicks

@meltedbuzzbox These are the only ones I can find, which look to be more expensive than the Fender ones.... https://www.thomann.de/ie/gotoh_sd91_mg_t_n.htm

I'm not even too sure if these would be the right type? Edit: On closer inspection, yes they would be fine.

meltedbuzzbox

Tonnes on eBay with a more traditional kluson styling.

How much are the fenders?

Creed_Clicks

@meltedbuzzbox Fenders are around $50.

meltedbuzzbox

That's surprisingly cheap. They will be more than adequate