When I worked at Kia our warranty wasn’t that great and you must be able to prove Kia parts through its entire life and not miss anything.
I posted on the “other” car thread. Wife’s 6.5 yr old Sorento has just had £3k of repairs completed under warranty , part Kia service and part independent. No questions asked beyond proof of servicing (has invoices for independent).
Of course there are better cars then Kia’s but the warranty is unbeatable if you want peace of mind.
And that's why the rule is unfair - personal experience tends to overly influence decisions. My wife's remembering the Grand Scenic timing belt going just before our holiday trip which meant we ended up scrambling about to rent a car, change ferry bookings etc. These memories run deep!
And then there was the electronic parking brake replacement, the consistently expensive bills at MOT time, suspension arms going and the coolant system issues that led us to get rid of the car because we couldn't be certain if it was a cylinder head issue. This was after having a Rover 420 which we did go through the pain of a cracked cylinder head and an issue with the fuel system which left us stranded on the A9 with the kids beside the road. Took weeks to get that fixed...
In contrast, the Ceed has been very straightforward - brake pads and discs mainly, plus standard servicing.
I'm all for the No French Cars rule - if a lot of people use it, it means that I'll be able to buy another well-designed, reliable car for a fraction of the new price when I next need to replace mine... although that might not be for some time, since I had the last one for nine years - and probably still would have if some twit hadn't driven into the side of it. (Though it has to be said that the new one is nicer.)
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Just because I don't care, doesn't mean I don't understand." - Homer Simpson
Happy to oblige @icbm Maybe I'll relax the rule in another couple of cars time when the memories of that Grand Scenic are properly out the system! Yeah I know we shouldn't pass judgement on the French car industry because of one bad car. I did start to consider the 308 SW, but was over-ruled.
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Just because I don't care, doesn't mean I don't understand." - Homer Simpson
Ach, too bad. I love mine. The other estate car that seems a good all rounder is the Volvo V70 - you need a pipe and possibly an old Labrador to own one but incredibly practical and comfortable and built very well. Lots of them about so pretty good value.
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The V70 looks nice but I'd have to accept older and higher miles to get one in my price range. Also I've only got cats and neither of them are good travellers;)
The V70 looks nice but I'd have to accept older and higher miles to get one in my price range. Also I've only got cats and neither of them are good travellers;)
Viewing list for the weekend - Ceed, i40, Golf and Yeti (summat different like)... Ceed is the clear front-runner on paper. Which will probably make half the forum recoil in horror... But that's cars for ya - almost as strong opinions abound as there are for guitars!
Just get a Porsche Cayenne , I got one recently from my local Porsche Centre here in Edinburgh and I have to say, the buying experience was second to none, they literally kiss your arse at every stage lol. On a serious note , Kia seems like a reasonable option. If it comes to the mentioned Toyota Auris, it's a great car but CVT gearboxes are a bit noisy. The reliability is great though, Toyota hybrids are pretty much bulletproof.
I drive a Lexus RX hybrid with a CVT transmission. Very, very smooth with no gear changes, just a smooth progression of ratios. The transmission itself isn't noisy at all, the noise comes from the engine revs when you ask for some oomph going up a steep hill. Not a frequent occurrence so it doesn't bother me. Best analogy I can give you is a jet on the runway about to take off, the pilot opens the throttle and the jet engines roar, he then releases the brakes and the plane hurtles forward. As the momentum increases, the revs (and noise) decrease to the point where the vehicle speed and engine revs are in harmony. My words are no substitute for a test drive. I think most people's criticism of CVT stems from their unfamiliarity. Go try it.
The principle is the same, but I accept that a smaller engine will probably have to go into higher revs mode more frequently. Car reviewers are always thinking about thrashing it around the Nurburgring rather than doing the daily commute and going to the shops, which is what most of us do.
Yeah reckon so. Even living in this part of the world, I rarely drive anything challenging gradient wise. About 90% of my miles are round town or average speed camera limited cruises to Glasgow. Only time I might notice it are on camping trips - about twice a year...
Ach, I'll add the Auris to the list... It's the most local anyway.
Yes, the CVT won't trouble you much at all. Ha, just looked at your location.....I lived in Callander for six years, my daughter was born there. Should I have said stayed in Callander ?
Callander is lovely. A guy at work commutes from there to Perth, and the bass player in my Glasgow band stays there. Only downside is that it's really popular as a Sunday drive destination for loads of people in the central belt... And as coach trip stop off too. So the main street is hoaching most weekends!
Callander is lovely. A guy at work commutes from there to Perth, and the bass player in my Glasgow band stays there. Only downside is that it's really popular as a Sunday drive destination for loads of people in the central belt... And as coach trip stop off too. So the main street is hoaching most weekends!
You aren't kidding. If you're planning a journey that involves going through Callander at the weekend, allow about an extra 15 mins just to get from one end to the other...
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Just because I don't care, doesn't mean I don't understand." - Homer Simpson
Aberfoyle, Callander, Pitlochry - loved by all for a weekend stop off... Personally I prefer them mid-winter when the day trippers are nowhere to be seen...
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Of course there are better cars then Kia’s but the warranty is unbeatable if you want peace of mind.
whatever that means in the car market
In contrast, the Ceed has been very straightforward - brake pads and discs mainly, plus standard servicing.
Probably just cursed whatever car I buy next!
ONLY ME!!
You don’t wanna listen to this lot, you wanna get yourself a nice lime green Veloster, that’s what you wanna do!
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Just because I don't care, doesn't mean I don't understand." - Homer Simpson
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Just because I don't care, doesn't mean I don't understand." - Homer Simpson
Tom Anderson Drop Top Classic for sale here.
Almost tempted to go and test drive it and see just how annoying it is!
Best analogy I can give you is a jet on the runway about to take off, the pilot opens the throttle and the jet engines roar, he then releases the brakes and the plane hurtles forward. As the momentum increases, the revs (and noise) decrease to the point where the vehicle speed and engine revs are in harmony.
My words are no substitute for a test drive. I think most people's criticism of CVT stems from their unfamiliarity. Go try it.
But as you say, a test drive is the only way to find out. Forum chat and YouTube reviews can only get you so far.
Car reviewers are always thinking about thrashing it around the Nurburgring rather than doing the daily commute and going to the shops, which is what most of us do.
Ach, I'll add the Auris to the list... It's the most local anyway.
Ha, just looked at your location.....I lived in Callander for six years, my daughter was born there. Should I have said stayed in Callander ?
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Just because I don't care, doesn't mean I don't understand." - Homer Simpson