Fender Custom Shop - No More Clay Dots

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Just had a memo - From the very top - No more clay dots on any Custom Shop Fenders - No additional info etc, just that quick statement
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  • sweepysweepy Frets: 2582
    That's going to piss some people off 
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  • dazzajldazzajl Frets: 687
    Not change. Noooooooooooooo!!
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  • Philly_QPhilly_Q Frets: 6262
    That's a bit of an odd one.  Is there an environmental aspect?
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  • robertyroberty Frets: 1384
    Has the clay been fired
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  • edited July 11
    Philly_Q said:
    That's a bit of an odd one.  Is there an environmental aspect?
    Aren't 'clay' dots just bits of compressed fiberboard?
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  • ZoolooterZoolooter Frets: 431
    Very odd, it’s the first thing I’d want on a CS rosewood fretboard.
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  • teradaterada Frets: 4377
    roberty said:
    Has the clay been fired
    Absolute perfection  :)
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  • prlgmnrprlgmnr Frets: 1157
    What are they going to do do counteract the drastic change in tone?
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  • SassafrasSassafras Frets: 15816
    That's it, they've gone too far this time. Fender are dead to me.
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  • GazMozGazMoz Frets: 10
    All I can say is, I'm glad mines got clay dots 
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  • CloudNineCloudNine Frets: 2794
    Should think so too. Absolute disgrace they have been doing this for so long.




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  • FelineGuitarsFelineGuitars Frets: 6359
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    Yes - seems that the old clay dots were actually originally punched out white fibreboard.
    We have these in stock for builds etc 

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  • Strat54Strat54 Frets: 1189
    I bet its Gibson's fault......
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  • OilCityPickupsOilCityPickups Frets: 4562
    edited July 11 tFB Trader
    Philly_Q said:
    That's a bit of an odd one.  Is there an environmental aspect?
    Aren't 'clay' dots just bits of compressed fiberboard?
    The black ones are ... but the white ones ... which fade to 'biscuit' or grey ... there is a lot of debate. I buy a lot of compressed fibre board ... it's what Strat and Tele pickup flat-work is made from ... and it's made in medium grey, black and rust red ... and as far as I've been told ... has never been made in white, which was the colour of the 'clay' dots when new. There are stories that the dots were punched from white floor tiles ... or that they were made of celluloid nitrate ... all sorts of theories.
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  • teradaterada Frets: 4377
    Strat54 said:
    I bet its Gibson's fault......
    Probably. But don’t worry as there’s an HB strat that’s better anyway
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  • edited July 11

    The black ones are [fiberboard] ... but the white ones ... which fade to 'biscuit' or grey ... there is a lot of debate... There are stories that the dots were punched from white floor tiles ... or that they were made of celluloid nitrate ... all sorts of theories.
    I have read that the white ones fitted between 1959 and 1964 were fiberboard, just like the black ones, but then they moved onto 'lino' floor tiles for the white ones up to the CBS era.

    I'm not sure why people should get all excited a tiny bit of fiberboard or lino. I guess it is because people like the way they age, so giving a bit of the 'old guitar mojo', much like crazed 'nitro'?
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  • Philly_QPhilly_Q Frets: 6262
    Philly_Q said:
    That's a bit of an odd one.  Is there an environmental aspect?
    Aren't 'clay' dots just bits of compressed fiberboard?
    The black ones are ... but the white ones ... which fade to 'biscuit' or grey ... there is a lot of debate. I buy a lot of compressed fibre board ... it's what Strat and Tele pickup flat-work is made from ... and it's made in medium grey, black and rust red ... and as far as I've been told ... has never been made in white, which was the colour of the 'clay' dots when new. There are stories that the dots were punched from white floor tiles ... or that they were made of celluloid nitrate ... all sorts of theories.
    A few years ago @WezV reliced a Fender neck for me, he wanted to experiment with clay dots - and used some old poker chips.  I don't know if they're similar to the original material.
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  • stickyfiddlestickyfiddle Frets: 11692
    Hang on.. so these were never actually clay? This is worse than the tremolo/vibrato debacle...
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  • Musicman20Musicman20 Frets: 795
    PLAY AUTHENTIC CLAY
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  • kswilson89kswilson89 Frets: 114
    Used CS prices have just skyrocketed for those featuring faux clay goodness!
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  • OilCityPickupsOilCityPickups Frets: 4562
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    The black ones are [fiberboard] ... but the white ones ... which fade to 'biscuit' or grey ... there is a lot of debate... There are stories that the dots were punched from white floor tiles ... or that they were made of celluloid nitrate ... all sorts of theories.
    I have read that the white ones fitted between 1959 and 1964 were fiberboard, just like the black ones, but then they moved onto 'lino' floor tiles for the white ones up to the CBS era.

    I'm not sure why people should get all excited a tiny bit of fiberboard or lino. I guess it is because people like the way they age, so giving a bit of the 'old guitar mojo', much like crazed 'nitro'?
    Interestingly the grey fibre-board I use for post CBS pickup bases is pretty much the right colour as faded markers from the get go ... not sure why fender couldn't use those that.
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  • TINMAN82TINMAN82 Frets: 391
    Right, so it’s uncertain what a “clay dot” actually is in the first place and whether the original clay dots might have been bits of kitchen lino?!

    Think this one can be filed in the “who cares” drawer...


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  • sweepysweepy Frets: 2582
    Cork sniffers will be swivel eyed, ever been on the Les Paul forum ? anal doesn't even begin to describe the fascination for inlays etc
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  • guitargeek62guitargeek62 Frets: 1655
    sweepy said:
    Cork sniffers will be swivel eyed, ever been on the Les Paul forum ? anal doesn't even begin to describe the fascination for inlays etc
    Yeah, but they're properly authentic...
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 3507
    sweepy said:
    Cork sniffers will be swivel eyed, ever been on the Les Paul forum ? anal doesn't even begin to describe the fascination for inlays etc
    Yeah, but they're properly authentic...
    Main thing I look for is period correct inlays, well after the slot width on the screws obviously, I'm not a savage.
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  • stickyfiddlestickyfiddle Frets: 11692
    sweepy said:
    Cork sniffers will be swivel eyed, ever been on the Les Paul forum ? anal doesn't even begin to describe the fascination for inlays etc
    Is cork an option for inlays? Does it smell good?! :D 
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  • SassafrasSassafras Frets: 15816
    They'll be back but in a far more expensive "Historically Accurate" range of models. I estimate about £8k a pop.
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  • OilCityPickupsOilCityPickups Frets: 4562
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    Personally I can't see this drive for absolute 'authenticity' either ... MOP looks great and is hard wearing ... but then people get their panties in a bunch about the shape of the corners on PAF covers ... some people need to get out (and play) more.
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  • KittyfriskKittyfrisk Frets: 949
    Half baked idea.
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  • SteveRobinsonSteveRobinson Frets: 2319
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    Philly_Q said:

    A few years ago @WezV reliced a Fender neck for me, he wanted to experiment with clay dots - and used some old poker chips.  I don't know if they're similar to the original material.
    It looks okay but the Harvite chip material is more granular than old clay dots.
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