Area 51

fob

I saw a story on the BBC webpage about a Facebook group (jokingly apparently) planning to storm Area 51. This has been inspired by the Netflix documentary 'Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers'. The documentary is in turn fascinating and infuriating - fascinating because of Bob Lazar, infuriating because of the truly awful doc maker Jeremy Corbell. If only Louis Theroux had made it. I heartily recommend a watch and just skip through any bits with Corbell on the screen.

This was then promoted by the two of them on Joe Rogan's podcast. Anyone familiar with Rogan will know that this is right up his alley. Mercifully, Corbell has very little input.

For all the 'I've seen them' claimants out there, Lazar is easily the most convincing. So, do you believe?

ThePrettyDamned

I subscribe to the theory that one of two things will happen - we will find life and, inadvertently, wipe most of it out in a quest for knowledge, elsewhere in the universe...

... Or something more advanced will find us, mere ants beneath their boots, and inadvertently wipe us out in a quest for knowledge. 

Sassafras

I went on a coach trip to Area 51 and it turned my piss purple. I put it down to aliens and not the beetroot sandwiches I'd eaten a few hours earlier.

TTony

ThePrettyDamned said:

I subscribe to the theory that one of two things will happen - we will find life and, inadvertently, wipe most of it out in a quest for knowledge, elsewhere in the universe...

... Or something more advanced will find us, mere ants beneath their boots, and inadvertently wipe us out in a quest for knowledge. 

We don't seek knowledge or enlightenment.

Only profit and short-term gratification.

If we found aliens, they'd show up in pay-for-porn before anywhere else.

VimFuego

meh, I'll wait 'till someone leaks it to the fappening.

menamestom

Proof that how convincing a person can be is not necessarily relative to how much truth they speak.  That’s why cult religions exist.  

TheMarlin

I watched the Bob Lazar documentary.  It was crap. He’s got an interesting story, but this crappy self indulgent documentary was a mess. Don’t bother wasting your time watching it. 

ThorpyFX

TTony said:

ThePrettyDamned said:

I subscribe to the theory that one of two things will happen - we will find life and, inadvertently, wipe most of it out in a quest for knowledge, elsewhere in the universe...

... Or something more advanced will find us, mere ants beneath their boots, and inadvertently wipe us out in a quest for knowledge. 

We don't seek knowledge or enlightenment.

Only profit and short-term gratification.

If we found aliens, they'd show up in pay-for-porn before anywhere else.

Sounds like fun  

hollywoodrox

I always enjoyed the lazar stuff in the 90s , a model company issued a model kit of the ship I’m sure they nicknamed it the sport model . He also did some sort of rocket car. Used to like reading about dulce base and was there a guy called William Hamilton a high up navy intelligence guy

prowla

I think that the likelihood of Earth being the only place in the universe where life exists is infinitesimally small. There are (in the words of Carl Sagan) "literally billions and billions of stars", so for this to be the single place in the universe where all of the components happened to come together in the right way simply doesn't make sense.

However, whether we are visited by, or derived from, aliens is questionable, due to the distances & time involved (relativity, worm-holes, and other considerations not withstanding).

It is curious though that a lot of religions are based on a superior being(s) visiting from the sky.

However, if you went to the Middle Ages and turned up with some fighter jets, tanks and Kalashnikovs, they would think you were superior beings. This happened in WWII with the island of Vanuatu.

I think people are always looking to explain/rationalise things and perhaps the way to cover off things we don't know & understand is to come up with alien visits.

It would be kindof cool if the stories about Area 51 were true though, wouldn't it?

HAL9000

In these days where everyone seems to have a mobile phone with a halfway decent camera, why are nearly all photos of UFOs still in grainy black and white?

VimFuego

HAL9000 said:

In these days where everyone seems to have a mobile phone with a halfway decent camera, why are nearly all photos of UFOs still in grainy black and white?

maybe that's how the UFOs actually look. I mean, they're aliens, perhaps they have a different aesthetic to us.

Kilgore

They come from halfway across the galaxy or beyond, get to earth and either crash or get captured. As aliens go, they're pretty crap.

tony99

Has anyone here been probed?

Jez6345789

I just come back from a couple of weeks touring around the US desert area doing some photography and stuff (not UFO-related) and have to say if they are going to storm Area 51 they better bring plenty of fuel as I was amazed by the vast emptiness of it you can drive for hours on some back road and see nothing.

I would like to believe Lazar and that UFO's exist but the older I get the less I believe all the conspiracy guys. Since all this stuff came out pre-social media I find it hard that we are largely regurgitating stories from the 80's and 90's 

Emp_Fab

It's laughably arrogant of the human race to assume we're the only ones.  I have no doubt we aren't.  However - whether any other civilisation has managed to evolve much faster than us to the point where they have developed faster-than-light space travel, is a much bigger ask.  The distances involved are mind-boggling.  I would like to believe they have and that we have been visited, but I think it's unlikely in the extreme.

thecolourbox

Kilgore said:

They come from halfway across the galaxy or beyond, get to earth and either crash or get captured. As aliens go, they're pretty crap.

But you only hear about the captured ones? That's like saying the entirety of humanity is crap because some dude died sticking an electric plug up his bum

VimFuego

a theme in several of his books, Alastair Reynolds writes about an ancient machine civilisation that spans the whole galaxy, keeping watch for the emergence of organic civilisations that are on the brink of becoming an intersteller species, then wiping. The basic idea is to stop organics polluting the galaxy. 
So that's something to look forwards to. 

welshboyo

When they break in they won't find any aliens or UFO's just @Emp_Fab in his Veloster...

TimmyO

The physics of our universe seem to make stars inevitable (there are billions of them) but there is no evidence yet that a collection of molecules that constitutes life is inevitable, so using the size of the universe to support its likelihood is wanting it to be so. 

Whatever particular occurrence of physics, circumstances and coincidence that created life in our solar system could well be unique, the same as the exact shape of a snowflake is 

munckee

tony99 said:

Has anyone here been probed?

I seem to remember @WiresDreamDisasters saying some japanese women would do it for the price of a coffee.