Hearing band next door via Jazzmaster

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longshinslongshins Frets: 177
My friends Jazzmaster was picking up snippets of the guitarist in the adjacent practice room, any ideas why? It only did it with either bridge or neck pickup, both on cancelled it out. Really odd... reminded me of Nigel Tufnell with his wireless system.
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  • jellybellyjellybelly Frets: 341
    Those pickups are big flat antennas. My JM is by far my noisiest guitar (assuming proper grounding etc). If yours is not a top of the line USA model it won’t be well (or at all?) shielded. You can do it yourself with foil backed with conductive adhesive or fender parts which can get expensive. I’m afraid it’s just the way it is! More than once I’ve had to wonder around a stage to find the one place and angle that the noise dropped out at and tried to stay there for the whole gig... 
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  • JerkMoansJerkMoans Frets: 3241
    I used to get Punjabi radio with my old one. 

    Tons of fun fun trying to jam along with Bally Sagoo and the Panjabi MC.
    Self-confessed Blues Lawyer
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  • longshinslongshins Frets: 177
    So it’s the same thing thing as when you pickup radio with certain fuzz and wah pedals?
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  • thegummythegummy Frets: 2633
    JerkMoans said:
    I used to get Punjabi radio with my old one. 

    Tons of fun fun trying to jam along with Bally Sagoo and the Panjabi MC.
    haha that's brilliant.

    Didn't know this could happen, pretty crazy.

    I have a vague memory of watching something where James Hetfield was singing through his pickups, is that possible?
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  • thermionicthermionic Frets: 5758
    edited July 28
    Could it be that it's more of an acoustic coupling rather than purely electromagnetic? The sound of the guitar next door causes the strings to resonate on your guitar. The acoustic I have in my living room rings out when have reasonably loud music playing on my hi-fi speakers. This will be accentuated on an offset because you have a much wider number of frequencies available to excite - not just EADGBE, but you have the unrelated/dissonant frequencies from behind the bridge.

    A well-known recording technique is playing a guitar track back through a small amp face down on the soundboard of a piano, and miking up the resonating strings for ambience.
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  • thegummythegummy Frets: 2633

    A well-known recording technique is playing a guitar track back through a small amp face down on the soundboard of a piano, and miking up the resonating strings for ambience.
    Interesting!

    I've read every book I can find about music recording and every interview I can find online (which would literally fill a book shelf if printed) but I don't remember reading that one.

    So thanks for sharing that, very cool :)
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  • springheadspringhead Frets: 526
    Presumably the next door guitar is using a wireless system. 
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  • thegummythegummy Frets: 2633
    thegummy said:

    A well-known recording technique is playing a guitar track back through a small amp face down on the soundboard of a piano, and miking up the resonating strings for ambience.
    Interesting!

    I've read every book I can find about music recording and every interview I can find online (which would literally fill a book shelf if printed) but I don't remember reading that one.

    So thanks for sharing that, very cool :)
    As a side note: my next purchase is either going to be a Musicman bass or a soft synth called Ominsphere - for that they seem to have sampled all sorts of things like piano string resonances, bowing them etc. to record sounds to mix in to the synth sounds for texture. Possibly a further variation of the technique you mention.
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  • FreebirdFreebird Frets: 2956
    edited July 29
    I used to pick up the local church on a Sunday morning. They were extremely hardcore brainwashers when out of sight from prying eyes. It was quite shocking actually, promising everybody a grizzly end if they didn't repent and conform!
    “It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”
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  • thegummythegummy Frets: 2633
    Freebird said:
    I used to pick up the local church on a Sunday morning. They were extremely hardcore brainwashers when out of sight from prying eyes. It was quite shocking actually, promising everybody a grizzly end if they didn't repent and conform!
    Should have definitely hit record to sample for some death metal
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  • TeleMasterTeleMaster Frets: 670
    Yea when we’re at band practice often I can hear the other band come from my amp. 
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  • digitalscreamdigitalscream Frets: 15542
    This happens at one of the venues in Peterborough (The Met Lounge). Whichever guitarist is standing stage right will pick up the radio from the betting shop downstairs.
    "Mains is ouchy if you get it up you" - Sporky
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  • JerkMoansJerkMoans Frets: 3241
    thegummy said:
    Freebird said:
    I used to pick up the local church on a Sunday morning. They were extremely hardcore brainwashers when out of sight from prying eyes. It was quite shocking actually, promising everybody a grizzly end if they didn't repent and conform!
    Should have definitely hit record to sample for some death metal
    My daughter did her Grade 3 or 4 exam in the basement of a church in December a few years back, when the rig became microphonic And was audibly broadcasting the festival of nine lessons and carols from upstairs. Provided a demented counterpoint to ‘I Love Rock n Roll’ and ‘Anarchy in the UK’.
    Self-confessed Blues Lawyer
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  • HenrytwangHenrytwang Frets: 294
    I guess that the guitarist next door is using a wireless system. The big drawback of single coil pickups has always been their susceptibility to electromagnetic fields. Screening can help reduce the problem but you can never completely eliminate it.
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  • jellybellyjellybelly Frets: 341
    I guess that the guitarist next door is using a wireless system. The big drawback of single coil pickups has always been their susceptibility to electromagnetic fields. Screening can help reduce the problem but you can never completely eliminate it.
    I don’t think it would be a wireless, that would be transmitting digitally right? In which case your guitar would need to decode it, which I don’t think is possible. 
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  • longshinslongshins Frets: 177
    I guess that the guitarist next door is using a wireless system. The big drawback of single coil pickups has always been their susceptibility to electromagnetic fields. Screening can help reduce the problem but you can never completely eliminate it.
    The only thing we could think of was it being a wireless system next door.
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  • springheadspringhead Frets: 526
    I guess that the guitarist next door is using a wireless system. The big drawback of single coil pickups has always been their susceptibility to electromagnetic fields. Screening can help reduce the problem but you can never completely eliminate it.
    I don’t think it would be a wireless, that would be transmitting digitally right? In which case your guitar would need to decode it, which I don’t think is possible. 
    Newer wireless guitar systems tend to be digital but there are still analogue ones available.
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  • EskiEski Frets: 9
    Snap - I get the same bing through my Tele.  Can be quite interesting at times.  Can mute it out by kicking on the tuner and can’t hear it when we’re playing in any event.
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  • SassafrasSassafras Frets: 17262
    I had a Coloursound Wah that picked up Neil Armstrong's historic speech as he stepped onto the Moon.
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  • thegummythegummy Frets: 2633
    Sassafras said:
    I had a Coloursound Wah that picked up Neil Armstrong's historic speech as he stepped onto the Moon.
    Maybe they were filming the "moon landing" in the studio next to the one you were in
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  • SassafrasSassafras Frets: 17262
    thegummy said:
    Sassafras said:
    I had a Coloursound Wah that picked up Neil Armstrong's historic speech as he stepped onto the Moon.
    Maybe they were filming the "moon landing" in the studio next to the one you were in
    There's no maybe about it. It was same studio where they filmed The Clangers. They even re-used the same set.
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  • HarrySevenHarrySeven Frets: 4451
    edited July 30

    A well-known recording technique is playing a guitar track back through a small amp face down on the soundboard of a piano, and miking up the resonating strings for ambience.
    Equally (but simpler) technique - many years ago (late '80's), I had an Ibanez Artist 6/12 twin neck - if you played the 6-string with the pickups off, but the 12-string pickups on, you got the most amazing shimmering resonance - I used to bung that through a wee bit of overdrive, delay and reverb for some uber-ambient texture.


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  • thegummythegummy Frets: 2633

    A well-known recording technique is playing a guitar track back through a small amp face down on the soundboard of a piano, and miking up the resonating strings for ambience.
    Equally (but simpler) technique - many years ago (late '80's), I had an Ibanez Artist 6/12 twin neck - if you played the 6-string with the pickups off, but the 12-string pickups on, you got the most amazing shimmering resonance - I used to bung that through a wee bit of overdrive, delay and reverb for some uber-ambient texture.
    Nice! Love hearing about these kind of tricks (hence my fore mentioned reading of those books etc.)

    A book I'd recommend to anyone else interested in that kind of thing is "Behind the Glass".
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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 5325
    If yours is not a top of the line USA model it won’t be well (or at all?) shielded.
    Worse than this. The CIJ Jag and JMs have graphite paint smeared all around their routed cavities BUT it is not connected to anything. Duh!
    Be seeing you.
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  • DoodlegameDoodlegame Frets: 13
    thegummy said:
    JerkMoans said:
    I used to get Punjabi radio with my old one. 

    Tons of fun fun trying to jam along with Bally Sagoo and the Panjabi MC.
    haha that's brilliant.

    Didn't know this could happen, pretty crazy.

    I have a vague memory of watching something where James Hetfield was singing through his pickups, is that possible?
    Yeah, it was on the making of one of the hardwired tracks, perhaps atlas though I'm not sure. He started laughing and it got tracked through his pickups
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  • NelsonPNelsonP Frets: 1284

    A well-known recording technique is playing a guitar track back through a small amp face down on the soundboard of a piano, and miking up the resonating strings for ambience.
    Equally (but simpler) technique - many years ago (late '80's), I had an Ibanez Artist 6/12 twin neck - if you played the 6-string with the pickups off, but the 12-string pickups on, you got the most amazing shimmering resonance - I used to bung that through a wee bit of overdrive, delay and reverb for some uber-ambient texture.
    Careful, @Three-ColourSunburst ;will be along shortly to tell you that there is no energy transfer between the strings and the guitar
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  • thegummythegummy Frets: 2633
    thegummy said:
    JerkMoans said:
    I used to get Punjabi radio with my old one. 

    Tons of fun fun trying to jam along with Bally Sagoo and the Panjabi MC.
    haha that's brilliant.

    Didn't know this could happen, pretty crazy.

    I have a vague memory of watching something where James Hetfield was singing through his pickups, is that possible?
    Yeah, it was on the making of one of the hardwired tracks, perhaps atlas though I'm not sure. He started laughing and it got tracked through his pickups
    I wonder how that was able to work and if it would only work on active pickups.
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  • thegummythegummy Frets: 2633
    NelsonP said:

    A well-known recording technique is playing a guitar track back through a small amp face down on the soundboard of a piano, and miking up the resonating strings for ambience.
    Equally (but simpler) technique - many years ago (late '80's), I had an Ibanez Artist 6/12 twin neck - if you played the 6-string with the pickups off, but the 12-string pickups on, you got the most amazing shimmering resonance - I used to bung that through a wee bit of overdrive, delay and reverb for some uber-ambient texture.
    Careful, @Three-ColourSunburst ;will be along shortly to tell you that there is no energy transfer between the strings and the guitar
    Did he really say that?

    The last post of his I read I thought he was saying that the energy does transfer to the body but that the ideal to aim for would be to minimise that as much as possible.

    Seems to be a bit of a witch hunt against him. I suppose I can see why since if some of the things he says is true it means most of us on the forum are wasting a lot of time and money on nothing lol
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  • GreatapeGreatape Frets: 72
    This is why I have a strat with Zexcoils. 

    Interestingly, I can't get the TC toneprint app to work with them. 
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  • thegummythegummy Frets: 2633
    Greatape said:
    This is why I have a strat with Zexcoils. 

    Interestingly, I can't get the TC toneprint app to work with them. 
    Wow looks interesting, never seen anything like that before.
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