CITES

impmann

So...

Its the 20th November.

Does that mean that CITES no longer applies to imports of guitars with RW fingerboards. I tried a google search but most things looked out of date...

I am considering a guitar that is currently in the US, made in the early 90s and has a RW board - any knowledge gratefully received.

guitars4you

Looks like delays due to the EU not ready - I was told 2/3 weeks by the MIA, but someone else on FB the other day said 90 days

But yes CITES is due to finish on rosewood (except Braz) - I believe different rules apply to 'blank woods' but for a finished guitar the end of CITES is imminent 

impmann

Thanks, chap. :-)

guitars4you

just noticed - the 26th Nov is the official end date - Not 20th

I have a M/Built JC Strat due from the USA very soon - Because of the EU delay in getting the info out to the appropriate sources, it will still be sent with a CITES certificate - God only knows why the EU can't be ready for the 27th - I can understand the need to implement a new process, but not to actually finish such a process - Just shows what a pain authorities can be

bgmartinsbridge

What's the impact on vintage guitars - so old Braz board Fenders and Gibsons just can't be moved from outside of Europe and vice versa?

Unless you jump on a plane and blag it! 

gavin_axecaster

guitars4you said:

just noticed - the 26th Nov is the official end date - Not 20th

I have a M/Built JC Strat due from the USA very soon - Because of the EU delay in getting the info out to the appropriate sources, it will still be sent with a CITES certificate - God only knows why the EU can't be ready for the 27th - I can understand the need to implement a new process, but not to actually finish such a process - Just shows what a pain authorities can be

Silly isn't it?

They have had 3 months to implement the changes, yet still lag behind the rest of the world. APHA are still playing catch-up on the volume of applications that have been submitted due to the CITES meeting delay and this extra delay will put more strain on them.

Monday I was told that it was hoped the legislation would be in place first week in December but there is no official date from the EU.

guitars4you

bgmartinsbridge said:

What's the impact on vintage guitars - so old Braz board Fenders and Gibsons just can't be moved from outside of Europe and vice versa?

Unless you jump on a plane and blag it! 

The position on Brz has not changed - Legally you need a certificate to sell it anywhere in the world, even from a UK seller to a UK buyer  - Note the word legally - Often/always/sometimes ignored - This applies to a private sale or via a dealer

It is a bit more complex than this as well so will update later as just nipping out now

bgmartinsbridge

@guitars4you - so it changes today?

So heres an example of guitar treatment only this morning. 

So literally just had a call from ups, as I'm waiting in for a delivery of a 2000 maple neck/ fb strat from the states.
Ups, Can you tell me what wood it's made of?
Me, Er, it's a maple neck and absolutely doesn't have any rosewood on it. 
Ups, Great, we will clear it now. 
Me, Phew! 

guitars4you

bgmartinsbridge said:

@guitars4you - so it changes today?

So heres an example of guitar treatment only this morning. 

So literally just had a call from ups, as I'm waiting in for a delivery of a 2000 maple neck/ fb strat from the states.
Ups, Can you tell me what wood it's made of?
Me, Er, it's a maple neck and absolutely doesn't have any rosewood on it. 
Ups, Great, we will clear it now. 
Me, Phew! 

I'm told it could be another 2 months for the EU to finish with any CITES

Totally crazy - I can understand a system needing to be put in place for the introduction of a policy - So time required accordingly to implement it, especially in a larger organisation

But why the hell do we need a delay to not to have to do something anymore - You know longer have to be concerned about it, so what is the issue - It just shows how inefficient big organisations become

brooom

Maybe brexit will help getting it done faster.

bgmartinsbridge

@brooom - lol, I was watching French TV today. They were reporting that the French farmers get the largest subsidy of any country in the EU but they're unhappy with the level of beauracracy - saying all the rules seem to be made by people in offices who have never been outside in the real world :-) 

brooom

Darn french, they're never happy with anything or anyone. Let's deliver Frexit as well.