Swings and roundabouts

phil_b

Winny_Pooh said:

2 cents here. People in general are more tired, skint & socio-economically challenged and they can't deal with it properly when consumerism and "striving" are shoved in their faces constantly. 

Right leaning societal messages are also emboldening ye old upper class British cruelty that didn't seem so rife during the Labour years. 

and they call it progress

phil_b

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/spotlight/why-should-billie-eilish-or-any-teenager-give-a-fleeting-thought-to-a-rock-band-that-no-longer-matters-like-van-halen/ar-BBXOfYF?ocid=spartanntp

Revolting1

phil_b said:

Winny_Pooh said:

2 cents here. People in general are more tired, skint & socio-economically challenged and they can't deal with it properly when consumerism and "striving" are shoved in their faces constantly. 

Right leaning societal messages are also emboldening ye old upper class British cruelty that didn't seem so rife during the Labour years. 

and they call it progress

Unfettered greed, selifishness and maintenance of privilege have allways been ugly.

Sassafras

I blame Rap and Heavy Metal.

WiresDreamDisasters

Winny_Pooh said:

People in general are more tired, skint & socio-economically challenged and they can't deal with it properly when consumerism and "striving" are shoved in their faces constantly. 

Don't stop there. Whilst you're saying things that literally fly in the face of all historical record, you might as well go the whole hog!

LastMantra

There might be lots of knowledge in the interweb but there's as much (if not more) bullcrap so it cancels itself. 

Rocker

Interesting to note that a number of respondents are reasonably closely aligned to my way of thinking on the issue I raised in the OP.

And at it's kernel is how we perceive and interact with each other.  I believe that ones core values are ingrained in the home.  When I was a child, my siblings and I were instructed to always offer our seats to an adult if there was no other seat available.  That was how it was.  Over the years I discarded many of my parents views that did not reflect my thinking but those core values never changed.  From my wife's observations on the train, I can only conclude that children raised this century and at the end of the last century, were not given guidance on how to behave by their parents.

UnclePsychosis

Rocker said:

Interesting to note that a number of respondents are reasonably closely aligned to my way of thinking on the issue I raised in the OP.

And at it's kernel is how we perceive and interact with each other.  I believe that ones core values are ingrained in the home.  When I was a child, my siblings and I were instructed to always offer our seats to an adult if there was no other seat available.  That was how it was.  Over the years I discarded many of my parents views that did not reflect my thinking but those core values never changed.  From my wife's observations on the train, I can only conclude that children raised this century and at the end of the last century, were not given guidance on how to behave by their parents.

Their parents are your generation. 

I find these "state of the youth of today" posts absolutely hilarious, because they're always posted by the people who are directly responsible for raising the youth of today. 

WiresDreamDisasters

steveledzep said:

WiresDreamDisasters said:

Okay boomer.

You're such a fucking dickhead !

By using a word that the boomer generation have used to describe themselves for decades?

Okay.

tony99

the people who parked on dropped curbs do my head in, yeah the dropped curbs that are supposed to make it easier for wheelchairs and motibility scooters, or those pushing perambulating baby carriages, then some arsewipe decides to park on it blocking the whole thing

AlexC

phil_b said:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/spotlight/why-should-billie-eilish-or-any-teenager-give-a-fleeting-thought-to-a-rock-band-that-no-longer-matters-like-van-halen/ar-BBXOfYF?ocid=spartanntp

Interesting piece. I wish I haven’t heard of Van Halen to be honest.

thecolourbox

Because the ways of the older generations before us have led us to such a good state of affairs presently... The culture that started off the wild rabid consumerism and therefore selfishness of people today started when today's pensioners were young, or maybe they were involved? So perhaps it's a case of reaping what was sown!

For the record, I never sit down on trains as the seats are disgusting so I avoid having to give up my seat

octatonic

munckee

I see far more impolite disrespectful pensioners and older people with a sense of entitlement than younger people who I generally find to be polite. 

Nitefly

And here we go again with the frankly ridiculous generalisations.

hollywoodrox

I know lots of elderly people who vilify anyone less well off than them and voted conservative as they loved, thatcher, Cameron, may or Boris  even the poorer ones will look down on homeless /beggars , unmarried mums , foreigners or anyone who does not fit into their strict code of living , bring back national service they say , bring back the death penalty, we need another war!!!!!  Bring back the birch, don’t do animal testing , test things on prisoners , foreigners are to blame for ,colds , flu, the resurgence of Tuberculosis ,etc  hmm I think it’s poverty and poor housing more to blame for that . Can’t get hospital appointments foreigners isn’t it ?  And loads loads loads more . There are good ones of course but I see lots and lots of this behaviour  from both the poor and rich ends of society . I’ve always been quite polite, speak to people, hold doors open, help old ladies with their shopping , let them in a line in front of me  but have often been ignored or not acknowledged for small kindnesses owing to being a leather jacketed tattooed rocker . The nice people make up for the C*nts though . 

Kids are a bit self absorbed today but like others have said , they are a product of past societies  and consumer capitalism , cuts to education ,the arts ,sports ,facilities , austerity .  The examples that have been set in the past are the results we see today

Revolting1

Kids today vary between the self absorbed,the thoughtfull brave and forward looking-

 And some complete and utter sh1t  bags.

 

Same as it ever was; just in different ratios.

SNAKEBITE

It's personal pride.

All this "society has changed", "People are under so much more pressure" etc is bollocks.

Manners cost nothing and only improve the quality of life of everyone.

Recently I have found that people are shocked if you smile at them (not in a creepy type of way!), you step aside to let them through and you get no acknowledgement, all the small things that were drummed into me as a kid seem to have gone by the wayside.

Yeah, it bothers me, but I will continue to do them as I would feel like I have failed if I were to stop. I feel as though I would have let my grandparents and parents down, the people who taught me to do the right thing.

King85

Literally every generation has said this, it's nothing new everything is the same but people just have rose tinted glasses for the past.

Sassafras

People, regardless of age, are too engrossed in their smartphones and iPads to even notice you let alone give a shit about you.