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thebreezethebreeze Frets: 1231
I know bugger all about pedals really but would like to hone in on a suitable delay pedal.  So I apologise for the mass of information.

I think I need a delay pedal but I don’t really use one.  I put this down to just not having the right one but maybe I just don’t need it?  I sort of imagine it will give something “extra” to solos, making them sound a bit more expansive.  Equally, we do a Cars song and I know he uses slap back on it.

I play in an unserious covers band playing standard rock n roll, bluesy stuff - Chuck Berry, Clapton, the Cars, Little Feat, Dire Straits, Bowie, Doobie Bros etc.  It’s pretty eclectic.  There may be room and motivation for original stuff sometime.  

So I think I need a range from decent slap back to a nice echo or longer delay but it doesn’t need to be too eleborate or spacey.  I currently have the EHX Deluxe Memory Man and find it too complicated to dial in different useable sounds although when you get one they sound good imo.

I generally tend towards analogue but maybe digital would be more suitable?

I’m pretty much exclusively Strat or Tele into a Tone King Imperial, which I’d call a bright amp, if that has a bearing on things?  Although I sometimes use a Tweed Deluxe.  I pretty much use just the Clean channel and drive from a Xotic BB preamp and occasional distortion from a Myomorpha (which sounds great for the price).  I have a Thorpy Veteran on its way which may change things.

Budgetwise, I’m flexible but would probably buy used.  I think a max would be about £150 but would prefer something in the £75-120 region (or less of course!)

Many thanks for any thoughts.
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  • soma1975soma1975 Frets: 2167
    The Way Huge Echo Puss is an excellent 'set it and forget it' delay in your price range. The fact that you can turn the modulation off and it has a tone knob is fab. 

    The big hitter in that arena you mentioned though is the Carbon Copy. 
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  • Boss Dd7 would be just the ticket!
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  • thebreezethebreeze Frets: 1231
    Thanks @soma1975 @WiresDreamDisasters    

    After a quick look, the Way Huge seems a bit too close to the MM for me (but made me think perhaps I'm being a bit lazy about how I use it).  The Carbon Coby does sound nice it has to be said.  The Boss makes things simple and seems very versatile.  I'll give it some thought.
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  • soma1975soma1975 Frets: 2167
    I'm not a MM fan really but loved the Echo Puss. Used to run it with the modulation off and it was wonderful. Sadly most demos these days whack that shit up. 

    Also yeah, can't go wrong with a Boss Delay. 
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  • I may be up for flogging mine if you want a boss one. Not why I recommended it though, they are legit dead simple and sound great
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  • thebreezethebreeze Frets: 1231
    I may be up for flogging mine if you want a boss one. Not why I recommended it though, they are legit dead simple and sound great
    Thank you - I'll bear it in mind.
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  • thebreezethebreeze Frets: 1231
    Any views on a TC Electronic Flashback?
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  • Mxr Carbon Copy would be my suggestion. Really simple to use. Can’t get a bad sound out of it. Very reasonably priced. 
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  • markvmarkv Frets: 195
    Basic, simple, great sounding analog delays: 
    • BOSS DM-2w
    • MXR Carbon Copy (*not* the Deluxe which is not as nice)

    I had a Flashback X4 and it's got a great variety of great sounds - but if you want simple then you might find it has too much choice (I kind of did).
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  • chrisj1602chrisj1602 Frets: 1224
    thebreeze said:
    Any views on a TC Electronic Flashback?
    Yes, they’re great and can be picked up pretty cheap on eBay.
    Chris.
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  • Flashback have some lovely sounds in it. Their Space Echo is VERY nice.
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  • DarnWeightDarnWeight Frets: 1642
    If you're set on analog, the Ibanez Mini one is really nice, and dead simple to use.  
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  • Ben8010Ben8010 Frets: 149
    If you're not bothered about modulation - Boss DM-2w.

    If you want modulation - MXR Carbon Copy.

    To me the Boss has slightly nicer sounding repeats than the CC, but the CC has modulation so that's where it would hinge for me.

    I think because it doesn't need to be too elaborate or spacey - I'd edge towards the Boss.
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  • EricTheWearyEricTheWeary Frets: 9195
    If you don't mind mini pedals the CC Mini has a bright switch which the normal sized one doesn't so it might help you find the time in your head ( some people find the CC too dark). Probably not many around used as yet. 
    I suspect the Boss DM2-W is the best no nonsense brick shithouse answer. 
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  • JezWyndJezWynd Frets: 3587
    Start with a Boss DD-7, it has most delay types available and they all sound very decent.
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  • WazmeisterWazmeister Frets: 5284
    Boss DD8 - latest version and excellent
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  • thebreezethebreeze Frets: 1231
    Thank you to you all, very helpful.  Having gone from "i don't use delay" I think I'm going to try a Flashback AND a Carbon Copy and see if I need one or the other...or both :)  I quite like the idea of the CC mini with bright switch as I generally like a bright, trebley sound but not sure I can wait for them to appear s/h.  They're also a bit more expensive than the originals, interestingly.
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  • baggybillbaggybill Frets: 20
    OK in your budget the two I would recommend are boss dm2w and the dod rubberneeck £126 from thomann. The rubberneck has tone and gain knobs which are handy for tone shaping. 
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  • webrthomsonwebrthomson Frets: 540
    Analogue before the amp - Boss DM2W or MXR CC
    Digital in the loop - Digitech DL8 or Boss DD-3 or 7 or 8 :)
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  • thebreeze said:
    Any views on a TC Electronic Flashback?
    I had one and liked it. Only found myself using the ‘tape’ mode though, so bought a dedicated tape-modelling delay. 
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  • thebreezethebreeze Frets: 1231
    Analogue before the amp - Boss DM2W or MXR CC
    Digital in the loop - Digitech DL8 or Boss DD-3 or 7 or 8 :)
    Do digital pedals have to go in the loop?  Not sure my amp has one.
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  • The DD-3 will cater brilliantly for slap echo and longish repeats, and as others have suggested you can't go wrong with a DD-7, DM-2W or for tape the Dunlop Echoplex is an excellent choice and it's really easy to dial in a great sound
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  • thebreeze said:
    Analogue before the amp - Boss DM2W or MXR CC
    Digital in the loop - Digitech DL8 or Boss DD-3 or 7 or 8 :)
    Do digital pedals have to go in the loop?  Not sure my amp has one.
    No they don't. That's just his preference - and honestly it makes zero sense to me, but it is what it is.

    You can run any effect in front or in the loop, save for distortions which can cause damage in the loop. @ICBM can expand on that.
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  • thebreeze said:
    Analogue before the amp - Boss DM2W or MXR CC
    Digital in the loop - Digitech DL8 or Boss DD-3 or 7 or 8 :)
    Do digital pedals have to go in the loop?  Not sure my amp has one.
    No. 

    Personally I think you should try a DD7. 


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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 44238
    You can run any effect in front or in the loop, save for distortions which can cause damage in the loop. @ICBM can expand on that.
    Yes - basically you should not use any pedal which has a large amount of gain (about 20db seems to be a sensible limit) in an FX loop, because it can cause the amp to feed back internally, self-oscillate (often outside the audio range) and in rare cases cause damage. That means any overdrive, distortion or fuzz pedal, and most preamps that are designed to create amp-like overdrive, should only be used in front of the amp. You can run them *into* the FX return as long as they're not also connected to the FX send, since that's also effectively 'in front of' the amp.

    Other than that, generally there is very little difference in suitability for going in a loop between analogue and digital - although digitals that run the whole signal (rather than just the effect part) through the A/D/A converters can cause trouble in parallel loops with latency - but so can analogue ones with phase issues. Both are fine in series loops.

    As far as I know all Boss delays keep the dry part of the signal analogue and don't run it through the converters, and they don't have phase issues. I'm not totally sure about the RE-20 Space Echo pedal - that does something on the dry part of the sound as well, so it's possible that it does digitize it.

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  • LastMantraLastMantra Frets: 801
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    I love a deluxe memory man. They're not hard to use once you get the hang of it, and sound great. Definitely a more analogue affair.

    If you don't want it I'll take it off your hands  ;)
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  • webrthomsonwebrthomson Frets: 540
    thebreeze said:
    Analogue before the amp - Boss DM2W or MXR CC
    Digital in the loop - Digitech DL8 or Boss DD-3 or 7 or 8 :)
    Do digital pedals have to go in the loop?  Not sure my amp has one.

    Nope not at all - the DD3 does sound good in front of the amp, the other not so much when there is gain involved.

    For reasons I dont really understand the analogue ones into the front of the amp just sound good with gain or clean!
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  • EricTheWearyEricTheWeary Frets: 9195
    Boss DD8 - latest version and excellent
    The additional stuff on the DD8 I'm guessing isn't of interest to the OP but if looking for a DD7 try not to pay full price as it’s a discontinued product. 

    Although that additional stuff is kinda where the fun is ( once I’ve established nothing from NAMM is going to trump it it’ll be in my shopping list). 
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  • thebreeze said:
    Analogue before the amp - Boss DM2W or MXR CC
    Digital in the loop - Digitech DL8 or Boss DD-3 or 7 or 8 :)
    Do digital pedals have to go in the loop?  Not sure my amp has one.

    Nope not at all - the DD3 does sound good in front of the amp, the other not so much when there is gain involved.

    For reasons I dont really understand the analogue ones into the front of the amp just sound good with gain or clean!
    Probably because analog ones roll off the high-end usually, meaning that there is less high-frequencies for the amp to distort, resulting in a more "natural" tone.
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  • GrunfeldGrunfeld Frets: 3096
    thebreeze said:

    So I think I need a range from decent slap back to a nice echo or longer delay but it doesn’t need to be too eleborate or spacey.  I currently have the EHX Deluxe Memory Man and find it too complicated to dial in different useable sounds although when you get one they sound good imo.

    I generally tend towards analogue but maybe digital would be more suitable?

    Boss DD-7 has a lot of sounds to chose from. 
    Boss DD-3 is even simpler tbh and all the better for it.
    I recently got the analog DM-2waza ... and I think my favourite of these is the DD-3 because it's so no fuss and sounds good.

    I dunno what to do with that DM-2.
    Oh and I've got a bunch of nice but more sophisticated delays too. 

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