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  • vizviz Frets: 10647
    viz said:
    Yep but you’re 100% ready for them!
    Yeah near enough to grasp em. Just need to some practical solutions in a real life scenario/ jam 

    PM’d :)
    Roland said: Scales are primarily a tool for categorising knowledge, not a rule for what can or cannot be played.
    Supportact said: [my style is] probably more an accumulation of limitations and bad habits than a 'style'.
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  • hotpickupshotpickups Frets: 1813
    Just an update. The David Wallimann course is brilliant. So good to go over and over stuff and move on when one is ready to. Perfect for this lockdown period 
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  • Fifty9Fifty9 Frets: 491
    Good stuff Dave
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  • hotpickupshotpickups Frets: 1813
    Cracking through the course but I’m starting to feel I’m going back to that period of playing up and down scales again :( Really really boring.

    Does anyone have some good examples of modal type playing etc ?
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  • vizviz Frets: 10647
    Cracking through the course but I’m starting to feel I’m going back to that period of playing up and down scales again :( Really really boring.

    Does anyone have some good examples of modal type playing etc ?

    Noodle over the characteristic songs. So look up “songs in lydian” (for example) and noodle away to your heart’s content to Flying in a Blue Dream, Giant Balls of Gold, etc. 
    Roland said: Scales are primarily a tool for categorising knowledge, not a rule for what can or cannot be played.
    Supportact said: [my style is] probably more an accumulation of limitations and bad habits than a 'style'.
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  • hotpickupshotpickups Frets: 1813
    viz said:
    Cracking through the course but I’m starting to feel I’m going back to that period of playing up and down scales again :( Really really boring.

    Does anyone have some good examples of modal type playing etc ?

    Noodle over the characteristic songs. So look up “songs in lydian” (for example) and noodle away to your heart’s content to Flying in a Blue Dream, Giant Balls of Gold, etc. 
    Thanks Viz. Trouble with those types of songs is that I don’t really like them. Satriani and his style bores the hell out of me. I’m more into funk/blues/rock etc. I’m very pentatonic but want to embellish my solos but in that style if that makes sense 
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  • vizviz Frets: 10647
    It does. Have a look around, there are others. But lydian for example have a very specific flavour, and folks like Satch and Vai have explored them where others haven’t, so those modes always do put one in mind of those types of players. 
    Roland said: Scales are primarily a tool for categorising knowledge, not a rule for what can or cannot be played.
    Supportact said: [my style is] probably more an accumulation of limitations and bad habits than a 'style'.
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  • hotpickupshotpickups Frets: 1813
    viz said:
    It does. Have a look around, there are others. But lydian for example have a very specific flavour, and folks like Satch and Vai have explored them where others haven’t, so those modes always do put one in mind of those types of players. 
    Still feels like I’m running up and down scales rather than playing with flavoured licks I can use in a real context. Just going to have to persist and hopefully not get bored with it and leave it behind again :( 
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  • vizviz Frets: 10647
    edited April 2020
    Here’s an idea: take a normal song that you like, reimagine it converted into, say, Lydian, and play the normal solos, but lydianised. Then start to improvise. 
    Roland said: Scales are primarily a tool for categorising knowledge, not a rule for what can or cannot be played.
    Supportact said: [my style is] probably more an accumulation of limitations and bad habits than a 'style'.
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  • hotpickupshotpickups Frets: 1813
    viz said:
    Here’s an idea: take a normal song that you like, reimagine it converted into, say, Lydian, and play the normal solos, but lydianised. Then start to improvise. 
    Doesn’t it all depend on the underlying chords though Viz? Also major or minor?
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  • vizviz Frets: 10647
    Yep but you can reimagine them with new chords. So like instead of ii-V-I you’d have II-V-I. 
    Roland said: Scales are primarily a tool for categorising knowledge, not a rule for what can or cannot be played.
    Supportact said: [my style is] probably more an accumulation of limitations and bad habits than a 'style'.
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  • hotpickupshotpickups Frets: 1813
    viz said:
    Yep but you can reimagine them with new chords. So like instead of ii-V-I you’d have II-V-I. 
    Ah ok cool I’ll give that a go . Thanks Viz
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  • octatonicoctatonic Frets: 33725
    viz said:
    Yep but you can reimagine them with new chords. So like instead of ii-V-I you’d have II-V-I. 
    My favourite is III - I.

    Gooooldfinger.
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  • vizviz Frets: 10647
    edited April 2020
    octatonic said:
    viz said:
    Yep but you can reimagine them with new chords. So like instead of ii-V-I you’d have II-V-I. 
    My favourite is III - I.

    Gooooldfinger.
    Yep that’s gorgeous, but not based on a diatonic mode (i know you know this). I similarly love i - biii (well, i-vi) - there’s a song by Emma Bunton that uses this rather effectively, forgotten what it’s called.
    Roland said: Scales are primarily a tool for categorising knowledge, not a rule for what can or cannot be played.
    Supportact said: [my style is] probably more an accumulation of limitations and bad habits than a 'style'.
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  • octatonicoctatonic Frets: 33725
    viz said:
    octatonic said:
    viz said:
    Yep but you can reimagine them with new chords. So like instead of ii-V-I you’d have II-V-I. 
    My favourite is III - I.

    Gooooldfinger.
    Yep that’s gorgeous, but not based on a diatonic mode (i know you know this). I similarly love i - biii
    Very nice too.
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  • hotpickupshotpickups Frets: 1813
    Having slept on it I was just wondering if anyone knows of any good links for some tasty modal licks though. Yeah I could sit around hours on end trying come up with them and yes I have plenty of time at the moment but I'd still find it boring. I'd rather find a lick and perfect it in the time tbh
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  • vizviz Frets: 10647
    edited April 2020
    Here’s a brilliant mixolydian/dorian (depending on whether you hear it as major or minor) lick by Al di Meola, starting at 4:00 - only 13 seconds long but should keep you busy!

    https://youtu.be/6yBMkNL30xg
    Roland said: Scales are primarily a tool for categorising knowledge, not a rule for what can or cannot be played.
    Supportact said: [my style is] probably more an accumulation of limitations and bad habits than a 'style'.
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  • hotpickupshotpickups Frets: 1813
    edited April 2020
    viz said:
    Here’s a brilliant mixolydian/dorian (depending on whether you hear it as major or minor) lick by Al di Meola, starting at 4:00 - only 13 seconds long but should keep you busy!

    https://youtu.be/6yBMkNL30xg
    Lol nice. I have to admit I prefer to work from a visual perspective so I can see those notes implemented in my usual pentatonic boxes I use. Didn’t really want to relearn a whole new box system if you know what I mean. In other words there’s only so far I want to go with it all as I won’t be conquering any great musical ground for the world not at my age lol 
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  • ArchtopDaveArchtopDave Frets: 1367
    edited April 2020
    viz said:
    Here’s a brilliant mixolydian/dorian (depending on whether you hear it as major or minor) lick by Al di Meola, starting at 4:00 - only 13 seconds long but should keep you busy!

    https://youtu.be/6yBMkNL30xg
    Lol nice. I have to admit I prefer to work from a visual perspective so I can see those notes implemented in my usual pentatonic boxes I use. Didn’t really want to relearn a whole new box system if you know what I mean. In other words there’s only so far I want to go with it all as I won’t be conquering any great musical ground for the world not at my age lol 
    I look at having a knowledge of music theory somewhat differently in that it allows you to entirely dispense with "boxes" and "fretboard patterns", and instead gives you the freedom to roam over the whole fretboard.
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  • hotpickupshotpickups Frets: 1813
    viz said:
    Here’s a brilliant mixolydian/dorian (depending on whether you hear it as major or minor) lick by Al di Meola, starting at 4:00 - only 13 seconds long but should keep you busy!

    https://youtu.be/6yBMkNL30xg
    Lol nice. I have to admit I prefer to work from a visual perspective so I can see those notes implemented in my usual pentatonic boxes I use. Didn’t really want to relearn a whole new box system if you know what I mean. In other words there’s only so far I want to go with it all as I won’t be conquering any great musical ground for the world not at my age lol 
    I look at having a knowledge of music theory somewhat differently in that it allows you to entirely dispense with "boxes" and "fretboard patterns", and instead gives you the freedom to roam over the whole fretboard.
    I couldn't imagine not having a visual fretboard reference to go by 
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