Connecting up an Arturia Minibrute 2 to Helix Stomp and 1010 Blackbox

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builttospillbuilttospill Frets: 409
edited May 15 in Other Instruments
Emergency call to @octatonic or any other synth 1010 Blackbox people.  Can anyone tell me what I’m doing wrong? Please see added picture. I’m trying to connect up all three, the Minibrute 2, L6 Helix Stomp and Blackbox, I’m hoping to use the BB for drum samples etc and the synth/keys of the Minibrute 2 with added FX from the helix.

I’m connecting from the master out of the Arturia Minibrute 2 to the Helix Stomp’s FX Left Mono input. Then from the headphone out of the Helix Stomp to input 1 of the BB (I’ve also tried the HX Stomp’s Left Mono output)
Basically I can hear the BB via the BB headphone out but I can’t hear the Minibrute 2 Synth or the added fx from the Helix stomp. Can anyone guide me in the right direction? help greatly appreciated. There’s the global settings in the stomp where I can change the ins/outs to instrument or line but not really sure if it’s this? Yep! as you can see I’m completely new to this and it seems quite a steeeeep learning curve.
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  • octatonicoctatonic Frets: 27197
    That seems super complicated.
    I would get get a cheap mixer.

    But the obvious issue to me seems you are going out of the Helix at headphone level into the BB.
    I would go into the BB at line level, so out of the Helix at Line Level too.

    Even still if you had a mixer you could put the BB's inputs on an aux on your mixer and give you the ability to change the level going in, which would be much easier.
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  • builttospillbuilttospill Frets: 409
    Thanks @octatonic Bizzarely it’s kind of working fine via headphone out on the Helix. But yeah I agree I am making it complicated for myself.  Is it best to use both L&R outputs on the back of the Stomp to the BB and set the stomps outputs to line rather than instrument?
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  • builttospillbuilttospill Frets: 409
    I think a mixer would simplify things here @octatonic can you or anyone can you recommend a good budget small/portable mixer for this purpose? 
    Would something like the Roland GO: Mixer Pro do?
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  • octatonicoctatonic Frets: 27197
    Mackle are my usual suggestion here.
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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 6256
    edited May 19
    I have a surfeit of LM-3204 rack units.

    The smart option would be to sync the MB and BB to each other via MIDI. Send their respective audio outputs to the mixer. Add the Helix effect treatments via the Auxiliary send/return sockets of the mixer.

    Ideally, separate the drum sounds across the BB audio outputs to enable different amounts of effect processing to be applied to each.

    Be seeing you.
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  • builttospillbuilttospill Frets: 409
    Hi @Funkfingers many thanks for this, I was thinking of getting a Mackie Mix 8 mixer, it has the Aux send/return which you were talking about and will be useful when connecting up to external fx like my HX Stomp. I’m a complete newbie to MIDI so I really do not know how to approach this. My BB has a few MIDI to mini jack connectors which I’ve not even plugged in yet.
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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 6256
    If both instruments respond to Clock synchronisation, try using that for simple, repetitive sequencing.

    Within the respective Global or System parameter menus, set the BB as Master and the synth arpeggiator as Slave. If possible, set both instruments to the same Pulses Per Quarter Note resolution value.

    Mackie Mix 8 mixer … has the Aux send/return which you were talking about
    My knowledge of Mackie products only properly covers their US-made hardware. The dark grey painted stuff.


    Be seeing you.
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  • UnclePsychosisUnclePsychosis Frets: 7347
    edited May 20
    You don't need a separate mixer, unless you want to do fancy stuff. It would make it a lot easier though. 

    Plug the minibrute "out" into the Stomp "in".

    Take the audio "out" from the Stomp (don't use the headphones, use the "normal" audio out) and plug it into the BB audio in. Be careful with mono/stereo cables etc. 

    Plug headphones into the BB headphone socket. 

    Now open the BB manual to page 24 and 25 where it tells you how to use the audio in: 

    "Send a signal to the audio Input. The source will play through the selected output if the Rec Mon setting is ON or Auto. "


    As an alternative, take the audio out from the BB and feed it into the L/R Return of the Stomp as an 'aux in'. The Stomp manual explains how, but otherwise a quick google will tell you how to do it. This way round, plug the headphones into the Stomp headphone socket. Assuming you don't want to sample the Stomp using the BB this is the way I'd do it. 

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  • builttospillbuilttospill Frets: 409
    You don't need a separate mixer, unless you want to do fancy stuff. It would make it a lot easier though. 

    Plug the minibrute "out" into the Stomp "in".

    Take the audio "out" from the Stomp (don't use the headphones, use the "normal" audio out) and plug it into the BB audio in. Be careful with mono/stereo cables etc. 

    Plug headphones into the BB headphone socket. 

    Now open the BB manual to page 24 and 25 where it tells you how to use the audio in: 

    "Send a signal to the audio Input. The source will play through the selected output if the Rec Mon setting is ON or Auto. "


    As an alternative, take the audio out from the BB and feed it into the L/R Return of the Stomp as an 'aux in'. The Stomp manual explains how, but otherwise a quick google will tell you how to do it. This way round, plug the headphones into the Stomp headphone socket. Assuming you don't want to sample the Stomp using the BB this is the way I'd do it. 

    This is brilliant info @UnclePsychosis much appreciated thank you... coincidentally I have it set up the way you mentioned Including setting up BB to ‘REC ON’ and everything works excellently so far. Re mono stereo cables what should I look out for? is there a possibility that I may be damaging something? I’m using this Hosa cable from Amazon https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B005HGM1D6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_uQJXEb8BVBJV6 this goes from the Helix Stomp’s two outputs.
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  • UnclePsychosisUnclePsychosis Frets: 7347
    That cable looks fine. Don't think you can break anything, it's just you want to avoid getting weird effects by mixing up mono and stereo connections.

    Have fun! 
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  • builttospillbuilttospill Frets: 409
    Hi @UnclePsychosis another question, I’m still thinking of going the mixer route but what would you say were the main advantages of using a mixer compared to how I have It set up currently? Minibrute>Stomp>Blackbox 
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