5E3 Vs 5F1

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HootsmonHootsmon Frets: 13384
The main differences in clean tone only folks and why you prefer one over the other

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  • Modulus_AmpsModulus_Amps Frets: 1364
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    5E3 has a tone control, so it works with more guitars/guitar pickups

    5E3 has more "bounce" which makes it more fun to play

    5E3 slays a champ in just about every way, except at being a champ

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  • RiftAmpsRiftAmps Frets: 1966
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    5F1 cleans



    5E3 cleans



    *I no longer offer replacement speaker baffles*
    Rift Amplification
    Handwired Guitar Amplifiers
    Brackley, Northamptonshire
    www.riftamps.co.uk

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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 48644
    5F1 with 8" speaker vs. 5E3 with 12" - I'd take the 5E3.

    But if you're comparing both circuits with a 12" speaker, I prefer the 5F1... I think it's the negative feedback. I've come to the conclusion that I just don't really get on with amps without it, once they get pushed hard. I even prefer AC30s clean to overdriven.

    I don't like the tone control on a 5E3 really, it goes from not quite right to still not quite right without passing through right, for me.

    The 5E3 has more clean headroom though, even than a 5F1 with a 12".

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  • merlinmerlin Frets: 2987
    ICBM said:
    I think it's the negative feedback. I've come to the conclusion that I just don't really get on with amps without it, once they get pushed hard. 
    What are you thoughts on the 5e3 Rob Robinette mod? Does adding negative feedback make a 5e3 work for you (despite it making it NOT exactly a 5e3)? 
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  • monquixotemonquixote Frets: 11062
    If you have a Helix they have models of both.

    That Julian Lage clip was great.

    Does he have a 12" speaker in his?
    Handsome_Chris said: Like white Nile Rodgers. 
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 48644
    merlin said:

    What are you thoughts on the 5e3 Rob Robinette mod? Does adding negative feedback make a 5e3 work for you (despite it making it NOT exactly a 5e3)? 
    I've never tried it.

    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski

    "Just because I don't care, doesn't mean I don't understand." - Homer Simpson

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  • HootsmonHootsmon Frets: 13384
    John i remember asking you about running an extension cab with the 5E3 (1x12 c90 8 ohm) alongside the deluxe's own internal speaker and you replying it would be OK..........is that still an OK at gig volumes and for a couple of hours at a time and does it shorten power tube life at all?

     @ICBM

    Thanks man  :)
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 48644
    Hootsmon said:
    John i remember asking you about running an extension cab with the 5E3 (1x12 c90 8 ohm) alongside the deluxe's own internal speaker and you replying it would be OK..........is that still an OK at gig volumes and for a couple of hours at a time and does it shorten power tube life at all?
    Yes and yes.

    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski

    "Just because I don't care, doesn't mean I don't understand." - Homer Simpson

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  • Modulus_AmpsModulus_Amps Frets: 1364
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    RiftAmps said:
    5F1 cleans



    5E3 cleans



    Thats some great playing vs some ok-ish demo playing
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  • shaunmshaunm Frets: 1243
    RiftAmps said:
    5F1 cleans



    5E3 cleans



    Thats some great playing vs some ok-ish demo playing
    I wonder how many amps that Julian Lage has sold with this video. It couldn’t be a better video to demonstrate that amp. Sensational playing
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  • HootsmonHootsmon Frets: 13384
    ICBM said:
    Hootsmon said:
    John i remember asking you about running an extension cab with the 5E3 (1x12 c90 8 ohm) alongside the deluxe's own internal speaker and you replying it would be OK..........is that still an OK at gig volumes and for a couple of hours at a time and does it shorten power tube life at all?
    Yes and yes.

    reduce power tube lives significantly John? ^

    and is there not a Gizmo in this day and age ( a wee black plug in box) that sorts the ohms problem for us?

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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 48644
    Probably not significantly - these amps run them quite hot anyway, so they don't have the longest life expectancy even with a matching load.

    Yes, you can get a matching transformer if you really want to - I've never bothered normally though, unless it's something really incompatible like a 4-ohm amp and a 16-ohm cab. Impedance matching isn't usually as critical as popular wisdom would have you believe...

    Leo Fender was well aware that musicians just plug things in and go!

    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski

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  • HootsmonHootsmon Frets: 13384
    thanks John  :)
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