I always thought the Germans were sensible

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Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 18989
Thousands protesting, all close together, no masks.. against the Covid restrictions.

Dumbkopfs.
Give.. Ron.... your f**king sausage.
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  • phil_bphil_b Frets: 1146
    same in London today
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  • Jimbro66Jimbro66 Frets: 1691
    Lemmings.
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 18785
    Why are they not being sensible? Masks are great under lab conditions when they're changed every few minutes, but other than that they're disgusting things. 

    I have to wear one all day at work or I lose my job even though I'm nowhere near anyone else, and the consequences are an incessant low level headache because I can no longer use my finely tuned occupational varifocals, and constant recurring eye infections. 

    Here's today's, so you can shove your dirty, pointless masks, I'm absolutely at the end of my tether with this utter bullshit.


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  • EricTheWearyEricTheWeary Frets: 10289
    edited August 29
    phil_b said:
    same in London today
    I haven’t watched any news today so far but yesterday people were posting YouTube comments ( possibly just  UK based content) with details of the march. 

    I don’t think it helps your cause if you sound like a nutter...

    https://i.imgur.com/LSHwx1a.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/lbReZHU.jpg




    p90fool said:
    Why are they not being sensible? Masks are great under lab conditions when they're changed every few minutes, but other than that they're disgusting things. 

    I have to wear one all day at work or I lose my job even though I'm nowhere near anyone else, and the consequences are an incessant low level headache because I can no longer use my finely tuned occupational varifocals, and constant recurring eye infections. 

    Here's today's, so you can shove your dirty, pointless masks, I'm absolutely at the end of my tether with this utter bullshit.


    It does surprise me when you say this because any shop or supermarket I go into ( including Tesco) there’s never 100% of staff ( or anywhere near it) wearing masks, I thought that all the guidance was now the same in England and Wales. 
    But, yes, people not bothering, people exempt, people not doing it properly the difference it makes must be pretty minimal. 
    When the rich wage war it’s the poor who die. 
    Jean-Paul Sartre 
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  • 'kin hell Jules. Don't fuck around. Take care of yourself!
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  • ArchtopDaveArchtopDave Frets: 722
    p90fool said:
    Why are they not being sensible? Masks are great under lab conditions when they're changed every few minutes, but other than that they're disgusting things. 

    I have to wear one all day at work or I lose my job even though I'm nowhere near anyone else, and the consequences are an incessant low level headache because I can no longer use my finely tuned occupational varifocals, and constant recurring eye infections. 

    Here's today's, so you can shove your dirty, pointless masks, I'm absolutely at the end of my tether with this utter bullshit.


    Are there additional reasons for your problems, and why cannot you wear your spectacles? I spent 40 years as a doctor, mostly working as a surgeon. I therefore spent many hours wearing masks plus, or minus, visors. I have worn spectacle all my life, and used additional magnifying glasses for very fine surgery. I never had the problems that you complain about in relation to mask wearing.
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  • SCRelicsGuitarsSCRelicsGuitars Frets: 4570
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    Dumb? Why so? 

    Their cases may be fluctuating but their death rate is extremely low. Pretty much the same story here in the U.K. 

    Perhaps it’s time to drop the face mask charade (which funnily enough doesn’t apply to everyone anyway) and realise that this virus is now killing less people than A LOT of other diseases/viruses. 
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  • fastonebazfastonebaz Frets: 1673
    @p90fool you need to get some Bob Heath on your specs to prevent them misting up

     

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  • JezWyndJezWynd Frets: 4223
    @p90fool, could you wear a face visor instead? The protection is the same and I’ve spotted quite a few customers in supermarkets wearing them.
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  • CrankyCranky Frets: 217
    phil_b said:
    same in London today
    I haven’t watched any news today so far but yesterday people were posting YouTube comments ( possibly just  UK based content) with details of the march. 

    I don’t think it helps your cause if you sound like a nutter...

    https://i.imgur.com/LSHwx1a.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/lbReZHU.jpg


    Wow, what an abomination of history in those YT comments.  Imagine an entire ethno-religious group called Nonmaskwearers being first banished to the Pale of Settlement and then rounded up into forced labor camps.  That is a rather rare (I hope) blend of childishness, stupidity and internet access.
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  • robertyroberty Frets: 2412
    Trafalgar Square was a total crackpot convention yesterday. The worst of hippies and fascists coming together https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4067875199894006&id=100000146974380
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 18785
    @ArchtopDave the honest answer is I really don't know, except that a few of us with no history of eye problems are getting them, though most just have a rash of spots. It's pretty unpleasant having a permanently damp beard throughout your working week too. 

    I suspect that a big part of the problem we have with glasses at least in my specific job is that the two areas I'm constantly flitting between are kept at 2 and 22°C respectively and I just can't find a way to make masks (or visors for that matter) work with glasses. 

    These temperature variations make glasses steam up for a few seconds even without a mask, with one it seems impossible.

    Wearing my glasses on top of the mask further down my nose stops misting obviously, but the way my (very expensive) lenses are quite finely tuned means they're just no longer in the right place in relation to my pupils and they just no longer work. 

    Obviously a good seal over the bridge of the nose and cheeks works well, but due to training and for customer service reasons I have to talk a lot and I haven't found anything which stays in place. An almost good seal is worse than a bad one, it sends little jets of your own breath into your eyes, which is both uncomfortable and unhygienic. 

    We're supplied with the standard blue masks but I've also spent a lot of time and a fair bit of money experimenting with different types, but am thinking I'll have to design something. 

    So I currently have a choice of three causes of headache, no glasses, misted up glasses, or glasses in the wrong place. It makes for a very long, tense week, believe me! 

    I really need a solution to this so I'm all ears if you have any suggestions. There are literally zero other jobs available in this area at the moment so leaving is not an option, and anyway I deeply resent being forced out if a job I've enjoyed for the last ten years on such spurious grounds. 

    @fastonebaz I'm aware of that stuff and a few other tricks having spent the last four decades as a year-round motorcyclist, but it doesn't really do anything more than a spotlessly clean visor does, you either need fast airflow or double glazing like a Pinlock inner visor to stay clear when it's cold. I guess it would be frowned upon if I rode my bike at 60mph inside the supermarket. :)
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  • EricTheWearyEricTheWeary Frets: 10289
    roberty said:
    Trafalgar Square was a total crackpot convention yesterday. The worst of hippies and fascists coming together https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4067875199894006&id=100000146974380
    As per my own post as well I guess when you look at a point of view and then who supports that point of view and all you see is people who seem to have bizarre thought patterns ( or at least ones very different to your own) it becomes hard to ally yourself to that cause. 
    Let’s protest at Trafalgar Square because it’s on a ley line, ‘ child paedophilia is the real pandemic’ and I think I spotted Death to all Pedos, no to vaccines. 
    When the rich wage war it’s the poor who die. 
    Jean-Paul Sartre 
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  • EricTheWearyEricTheWeary Frets: 10289
    roberty said:
    I’m not really sure I understand the question. 

    There’s an argument to be made that mask wearing shouldn’t be enforced by law - people often don’t use them correctly so the effect is minimal anyway, we don’t know for certain that it has any or any significant impact, the law is too woolly and open to interpretation, many people seem to think that a mask is such a significant safeguard that they then fail to do the other safeguards, we have freedom of choice with regard to our own health in other matters ( and to some extent how we impact on others health) so why not in this regard,etc. 
    I’m very much ‘ it’s complicated, I don’t know enough to have a strong opinion, I am concerned for the health of others and feel they should be concerned for my health and masks provide a simple barrier method helping to prevent transmission and I understand that much at least.’ 
    So, if people want to make an argument against masks or compulsory mask wearing and they are more certain than I am that’s fine. However, the people who seem to be shouting the loudest don’t seem to be making a reasoned argument - they are just adding anti mask wearing to the hotch potch of extremist causes and conspiracy theories that they already hold so the validity of any argument is undermined by who is making that argument. 
    When the rich wage war it’s the poor who die. 
    Jean-Paul Sartre 
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  • steven70steven70 Frets: 598
    edited August 30
    Demonstrations will always attract extremist elements. For example, one can find far left extremists and communists at climate action or identity politics rallies.

    That is not to justify the beliefs of those people. But, unless present in person, one has to rely on a media who promote fear and conflict to sell stories.  

    I don't doubt that there were plenty of 'crackpots' in attendance - but it does not mean that those people represent the view of the majority.

    Also, it's worth bearing in mind the definition of fascism in relation to the current situation.

    "...characterised by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy."




     
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  • steven70steven70 Frets: 598
    edited August 30
    @p90fool - I think someone else has also said, but might a visor be preferable? At least you can get some air circulating. 
    I've seen a couple of shop workers wearing those.  
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  • robertyroberty Frets: 2412
    @EricTheWeary I mean to say the protest is a total magnet for people who are completely wrong about all sorts of things. Every single one of those signs shows evidence of some conspiracy or other. It's barely about the efficacy of masks
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  • EricTheWearyEricTheWeary Frets: 10289
    roberty said:
    @EricTheWeary I mean to say the protest is a total magnet for people who are completely wrong about all sorts of things. Every single one of those signs shows evidence of some conspiracy or other. It's barely about the efficacy of masks
    I’d agree with that. Some of them ( and I take Steven’s point that any reporting of this will often  be distorted toward the more extreme elements) don’t seem to be campaigning about it at all. 
    Some of it is really puzzling. The woman in that link is probably sixty years old so heading toward being in a vulnerable group. Now, she doesn’t like being told to wear a mask and I’ll accept that there’s an argument for that. But she is using the march to give out free hugs - which seems like her argument against masks is that she’s invulnerable to Covid19, seasonal flu, the common cold, germs and bacteria off people who don’t wash properly or that those things don’t exist...pre Covid if I’d spent a day hugging strangers in Trafalgar Square I’d have stood a good chance of catching something and this is a highly contagious disease. 

    When the rich wage war it’s the poor who die. 
    Jean-Paul Sartre 
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  • Sensible? Didn't they vote Hitler a while back?
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  • Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 18989
    roberty said:
    Well, there is no excuse is there really.  That mask is clearly way too big and there's no elastic ear loops!  It's a bloody disgrace to be honest.  No use to anyone.
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  • alalalkasaralalalkasar Frets: 112
    p90fool said:
    Why are they not being sensible? Masks are great under lab conditions when they're changed every few minutes, but other than that they're disgusting things. 

    I have to wear one all day at work or I lose my job even though I'm nowhere near anyone else, and the consequences are an incessant low level headache because I can no longer use my finely tuned occupational varifocals, and constant recurring eye infections. 

    Here's today's, so you can shove your dirty, pointless masks, I'm absolutely at the end of my tether with this utter bullshit.


    I wear a masks and glasses on a daily basis, I've been doing so for 17 years before the current situation as part of my job. The only advice I can offer you to help in this situation is facial hair is a bad idea and your glasses need to perch on the end of your nose.
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  • stratologystratology Frets: 15
    edited September 15
    Protesters in Germany are a small minority.

    The whole mess with arguing about masks originates in the US. It's completely random - science these days suggests that smear infections are almost completely irrelevant, yet nobody argues that their rights were violated because governments suggested to wash your hands.

    What's been missing is clear scientific statements from governments, and clear guidelines. Like saying 'our goal with masks is to reduce infection via aerosols by 30%, so we introduce a mask mandate with the following technical specifications for face coverings." Followed by clear guidelines regarding material, construction, pore size for face coverings, and clear instructions on how to wear them. And clear guidelines on where masks make sense - indoors, when you can't socially distance, or are in a crowd of people for an extended period of time. And an explanation that 'large respiratory droplets' are what you produce when you cough or sneeze, and that "aerosols" are what you produce when you talk and breathe. And explaining that you can visualise the behaviour of aerosols by comparing it to the behaviour of cigarette smoke, because particle sizes are in the same range.

    The lack of clear guidance opened the floodgates for conspiracy theories on Facebook. I know too many otherwise rational people who fell for the most bizarre nonsense. 


    Here in Ireland, the virus was contained without mask mandate. The mask mandate in shops started only in August, and, as far as I can tell, most people adhere to it without major complaints. Government guidance includes advice to not criticise people who don't wear masks, because it's not mandatory if you have asthma, if it causes anxiety, etc.

    The whole argument about masks is a distraction. A recent - not yet peer reviewed - study about the effectiveness of different measures found that contact tracing has the strongest impact when it comes to containment of the virus. It would make sense to focus on that, rather than argue about a sideshow.
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  • DCS222DCS222 Frets: 3
    Protesters in Germany are a small minority.

    The whole mess with arguing about masks originates in the US...

    The whole argument about masks is a distraction. A recent - not yet peer reviewed - study about the effectiveness of different measures found that contact tracing has the strongest impact when it comes to containment of the virus. It would make sense to focus on that, rather than argue about a sideshow.
    Have you a link to that study, I’d be interested in reading it?
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  • Protesters in Germany are a small minority.

    The whole mess with arguing about masks originates in the US. It's completely random - science these days suggests that smear infections are almost completely irrelevant, yet nobody argues that their rights were violated because governments suggested to wash your hands.

    What's been missing is clear scientific statements from governments, and clear guidelines. Like saying 'our goal with masks is to reduce infection via aerosols by 30%, so we introduce a mask mandate with the following technical specifications for face coverings." Followed by clear guidelines regarding material, construction, pore size for face coverings, and clear instructions on how to wear them. And clear guidelines on where masks make sense - indoors, when you can't socially distance, or are in a crowd of people for an extended period of time. And an explanation that 'large respiratory droplets' are what you produce when you cough or sneeze, and that "aerosols" are what you produce when you talk and breathe. And explaining that you can visualise the behaviour of aerosols by comparing it to the behaviour of cigarette smoke, because particle sizes are in the same range.

    The lack of clear guidance opened the floodgates for conspiracy theories on Facebook. I know too many otherwise rational people who fell for the most bizarre nonsense. 


    Here in Ireland, the virus was contained without mask mandate. The mask mandate in shops started only in August, and, as far as I can tell, most people adhere to it without major complaints. Government guidance includes advice to not criticise people who don't wear masks, because it's not mandatory if you have asthma, if it causes anxiety, etc.

    The whole argument about masks is a distraction. A recent - not yet peer reviewed - study about the effectiveness of different measures found that contact tracing has the strongest impact when it comes to containment of the virus. It would make sense to focus on that, rather than argue about a sideshow.

    I’d be interested to know if it was UK based too.

    My concern is if the freedom warriors on Facebook picked up on a singular piece of research to then justify ignoring the rest... e.g. you have my (fake) email, so I am going to have a rave with 2000 others now and will not social distance.   The ID or device tracking required plays into their whole ’Plandemic’ and state control BS too.   

    Social historians will have a field day analysing us.

    Our government never even kept a record at airports and only subsequent genetic analysis of strains revealed that the bug had arrived from Europe over 5000 times before lockdown and for weeks after we were warned to put stuff in place on Jan 5th.. We have/had no national infrastructure for this main pillar of standard pandemic response.  

    The other stuff still works too though...
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  • stratologystratology Frets: 15
    edited September 16
    DCS222 said:
    A recent - not yet peer reviewed - study about the effectiveness of different measures found that contact tracing has the strongest impact when it comes to containment of the virus. It would make sense to focus on that, rather than argue about a sideshow.
    Have you a link to that study, I’d be interested in reading it?
    This was a study in Germany - I'm trying to find the direct link. 

    In the meantime, here's a pdf with a comparison of different measures (Swiss government study, mostly in German, parts in English), pdf by the German government with several links to different studies (in German), and - probably the most interesting one - a pdf that summarises Japan's approach (in English). Japan was very successful in containing the virus without a lockdown, by focussing on clusters and tracing. Interesting, especially considering that New Zealand was also very effective in containing the virus, by doing the opposite - a severe lockdown.

    The best general sources of information I found are
    1. the website of the RKI (Robert Koch Institute) in Germany. Here's a link to an overall summary of what's currently known (German page, but parts of the RKI website are available in English)
    2. the NDR Coronavirus Update podcast on YouTube (in German) with frequent interviews with virologist Christian Drosten, who has worked with Coronavirii for years and developed the first coronavirus test with his research team at Charité hospital in Berlin. He has a good grasp of current developments, and is capable of giving good explanations of complex scientific realities. 


    Sorry about all the German language sources. I lived there for years, and there are no English sources here in Ireland I could find that have in depth scientific information...






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