Neural Quad Core thing demo

Jetfire

@FarleyUK I haven't seen it said anywhere but is this  unpowered? i.e will need a power amp or some description

Edited to make it question, gotta stop typing when I'm not fully concentrating

FarleyUK

Jetfire said:

@FarleyUK I haven't seen it said anywhere but is this  unpowered? i.e will need a power amp or some description

Edited to make it question, gotta stop typing when I'm not fully concentrating

Pretty sure it's un-powered. Just saw this on teh website:

- How do I use Quad Cortex live?
Send the main outputs to a solid-state power amp, FRFR cab, and/or mixing console.

Jetfire

I think this is firing shots at both Kemper and Helix/AxeFx ... Can one unit really do both? 

Barnezy

Jetfire said:

Barnezy said:

Looks like its a game changer. The end for amps and pedals is near. 

There's nothing in that video bar having a touch screen and profiler that is any different to what's out there in my opinion. 

However, tone wise I've yet to hear anything which would help me make up my mind

Agree. However this has modeling and profiling in one small unit. It has ridiculous processing capability and ease of use. 

In a few years time, people will wonder what the hell you're doing, if you turn up with an amp at the rate this is moving at now. 

FarleyUK

Barnezy said:

Jetfire said:

Barnezy said:

Looks like its a game changer. The end for amps and pedals is near. 

There's nothing in that video bar having a touch screen and profiler that is any different to what's out there in my opinion. 

However, tone wise I've yet to hear anything which would help me make up my mind

Agree. However this has modeling and profiling in one small unit. It has ridiculous processing capability and ease of use. 

In a few years time, people will wonder what the hell you're doing, if you turn up with an amp at the rate this is moving at now. 

Yep. I really wish I'd have kept all my amps now. Would have loved to profile them!

This has the potential to be superb; I'm just hoping it lives up to the expectations.

Fretwired

FarleyUK said:

I think the email I received sounded 'off' purely due to the team being based in Finland; I'm sure they didn't mean it like that.

Anyway, they have now confirmed that:

- All pre-orders will get the QC BEFORE any retailers
- All pre-orders are being given 'perks'; these are TBC
- All pre-orders now get free shipping via UPS

I expect Andertons will sell it for £1,599; so even with the crappy exchange rate, we're also paying a little less for it via the pre-order.

My hope for it is that it actually has the 'feel' and responsiveness you get from tube amps. I've had Fractal units, a Helix and a Kemper, and the Kemper was the closest; if this is on par with Kemper, I'd be happy, but I'm hoping for more.

Be interested to know how you get on with it. I wonder if Line 6 will be heading off to see their lawyers ... ;-)

I like the screen and ease of use - no PC required. It also sounds good.

Fretwired

Interesting ....

WiresDreamDisasters

I've still not heard anything from it that blows me away. It sounds like every other modern modeller right now.

digitalkettle

JohnCordy said:

@FarleyUK I'm on that tier 1 pre order thing but it seems like a low-key cluster f*ck in the waiting 

The’ve seen how Fractal do it and want a piece of that sweet action

fretmeister

digitalkettle said:

JohnCordy said:

@FarleyUK I'm on that tier 1 pre order thing but it seems like a low-key cluster f*ck in the waiting 

The’ve seen how Fractal do it and want a piece of that sweet action

Give it 6 months and I reckon the Church of Neural will rival Cliff's disciples.
Probably with a lot more bassists due to the Darkglass connection.

Some of the DG groups on facebook are nasty.

Jetfire

fretmeister said:

digitalkettle said:

JohnCordy said:

@FarleyUK I'm on that tier 1 pre order thing but it seems like a low-key cluster f*ck in the waiting 

The’ve seen how Fractal do it and want a piece of that sweet action

Give it 6 months and I reckon the Church of Neural will rival Cliff's disciples.
Probably with a lot more bassists due to the Darkglass connection.

Some of the DG groups on facebook are nasty.

Define nasty.... As in "skank face, that's a nasty riff" or "you're mean!!!!" 

FarleyUK

fretmeister said:

digitalkettle said:

JohnCordy said:

@FarleyUK I'm on that tier 1 pre order thing but it seems like a low-key cluster f*ck in the waiting 

The’ve seen how Fractal do it and want a piece of that sweet action

Give it 6 months and I reckon the Church of Neural will rival Cliff's disciples.
Probably with a lot more bassists due to the Darkglass connection.

Some of the DG groups on facebook are nasty.

The Fractal Fanbois are basically miniature Trumps.

digitalkettle

I looked in on the Neural users FB page and it was a bit...erm...samey(?) Made me feel old and slow though

fretmeister

Jetfire said:

fretmeister said:

digitalkettle said:

JohnCordy said:

@FarleyUK I'm on that tier 1 pre order thing but it seems like a low-key cluster f*ck in the waiting 

The’ve seen how Fractal do it and want a piece of that sweet action

Give it 6 months and I reckon the Church of Neural will rival Cliff's disciples.
Probably with a lot more bassists due to the Darkglass connection.

Some of the DG groups on facebook are nasty.

Define nasty.... As in "skank face, that's a nasty riff" or "you're mean!!!!" 

"I'm trying to get a sound with this pedal..."

"You're using it wrong you dumb shit. Seriously. Isn't it obvious... and your playing sucks"

and then more insults.

TTBZ

WiresDreamDisasters said:

I've still not heard anything from it that blows me away. It sounds like every other modern modeller right now.

Yeah I really haven't heard anything special from it yet and the lack of any proper demos makes me suspect it's not as good as it first appeared. Also the blatant rip off of the Helix GUI doesn't sit well with me - surely there's some sort of IP theft case waiting to happen here?

It's great to have another viable option in the digital world though, it does look really nice and Neural Plini sounded great. Didn't really like the Nolly or Nameless ones at all though.

fretmeister

It would surprise me if there could be any issue with the UI design.

It's a visual representation of something the individual player programs.

The icons are different. Ultimately it's a graphic of a series of editable straight lines with some blocks on those lines.
If Lego cannot protect the shape of their bricks to stop "lego compatible" products then I can't see the UI being able to be protected.

It's just a flow chart. Brilliant use of a flow chart - but ultimately just a flow chart and they've been around since the 1970s.

sgosden

fretmeister said:

It would surprise me if there could be any issue with the UI design.

It's a visual representation of something the individual player programs.

The icons are different. Ultimately it's a graphic of a series of editable straight lines with some blocks on those lines.
If Lego cannot protect the shape of their bricks to stop "lego compatible" products then I can't see the UI being able to be protected.

It's just a flow chart. Brilliant use of a flow chart - but ultimately just a flow chart and they've been around since the 1970s.

Analogue flow charts from the 70s are much better than the modern digital ones IMO.

Musicman20

Sweetwater:

Manufacturing Partner = we sell their gear

Sales Engineer = sales... That's it 

NelsonP

Barnezy said:

Looks like its a game changer. The end for amps and pedals is near. 

From a contemporary review of the pod xt:
To my ears, PodXT is in a different league. The sophistication of the modelling now allows the guitar and the player to interact with the sound just as you can with a high-quality valve amp. The way the amp models respond to guitar volume control settings is particularly impressive, as is the absence of noise and the significantly extended headroom — dig into a dynamic amp model and you get something back. The effects are strong and the user interface a delight, but even if they weren't, this time the sound alone is enough to convince at least one sceptic that, in the PodXT, desktop amp modelling has finally come of age.

John_A

Anyone know the business model going forward?  i.e How many models does it come with and will you have to pay for new ones?  The 'free' updates feature with Helix is fantastic, wouldn't like to pay £100 a pop for a new amp model