The IVm or IV minor

dean111music

Hi guys

i thought I would share this reel from my Instagram.

i was playing around with this idea using the IVm and thought it would be good to share.

Its in the key of E.

Harmonised major scale in 3rds gives you the chords

E F#m G#m A B C#m D#dim 

so the 4 is A. IVm would be Am

There is a question for you at the end. 


YouTube 

viz

I’ll play. 2ndary dominant

Tannin

There is good and there is bad. 

The good: nice, short, to the point demonstration that provokes thought and makes me want to try stuff out. Good one.

The bad: Instagram. Instagram won't let me view it without logging in. It does offer a "log in with Facebook" and seeing as Facebook owns Instragram, and broadcasts all my personal data anyway, there seems no harm in doing that. That done, Instagram *still* refuses to show the content. I have to make a new account - even though they promised that they'd let me log in via Facebook. And *that* done, the screen display is in portrait mode and very small. 

Summary: love the content, but put it somewhere decent, somewhere where people can watch it without all the bulls**it I just had to wade through.  Youtube, Vimeo, even Facebook at a pinch. 

OK, enough rant. I'm off to noodle some IV minor progressions and see what happens. Thanks.

Hattigol

Or for those of us on Instagram, it's....erm.....one click.

Very nice. Think Nobody Does It Better is based on very similar chords.

viz

Creep

dean111music

Tannin said:

There is good and there is bad. 

The good: nice, short, to the point demonstration that provokes thought and makes me want to try stuff out. Good one.

The bad: Instagram. Instagram won't let me view it without logging in. It does offer a "log in with Facebook" and seeing as Facebook owns Instragram, and broadcasts all my personal data anyway, there seems no harm in doing that. That done, Instagram *still* refuses to show the content. I have to make a new account - even though they promised that they'd let me log in via Facebook. And *that* done, the screen display is in portrait mode and very small. 

Summary: love the content, but put it somewhere decent, somewhere where people can watch it without all the bulls**it I just had to wade through.  Youtube, Vimeo, even Facebook at a pinch. 

OK, enough rant. I'm off to noodle some IV minor progressions and see what happens. Thanks.

I’ll put it on YouTube if you like and send another link? 

dean111music

viz said:

I’ll play. 2ndary dominant

Yeah!  

dean111music

dean111music said:

Tannin said:

There is good and there is bad. 

The good: nice, short, to the point demonstration that provokes thought and makes me want to try stuff out. Good one.

The bad: Instagram. Instagram won't let me view it without logging in. It does offer a "log in with Facebook" and seeing as Facebook owns Instragram, and broadcasts all my personal data anyway, there seems no harm in doing that. That done, Instagram *still* refuses to show the content. I have to make a new account - even though they promised that they'd let me log in via Facebook. And *that* done, the screen display is in portrait mode and very small. 

Summary: love the content, but put it somewhere decent, somewhere where people can watch it without all the bulls**it I just had to wade through.  Youtube, Vimeo, even Facebook at a pinch. 

OK, enough rant. I'm off to noodle some IV minor progressions and see what happens. Thanks.

I’ll put it on YouTube if you like and send another link? 

here is it on YouTube. Would be great to know what you think?

kelpbeds

When September Ends

Chris_Bradley

Nice lesson and cool sound borrowing from the parallel minor. For a similar vibe but a bit more mysterious sounding here is a good example using Mixo b6 (Maj I and Min IV) - at around 7mins he shows the modal interchange as contrast with the C note used over the Dm instead of C#.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d20wwTZxOZ8

viz

Chris_Bradley said:

Nice lesson and cool sound borrowing from the parallel minor. For a similar vibe but a bit more mysterious sounding here is a good example using Mixo b6 (Maj I and Min IV) - at around 7mins he shows the modal interchange as contrast with the C note used over the Dm instead of C#.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d20wwTZxOZ8

Nice. Whenever I hear the mixb6, or ‘Hindu scale’ as it’s sometimes called, I always hear Rachmaninov’s 3rd piano concerto, 2nd movement, which deploys it in many different keys throughout the piece. 

The first bit is scored as A major (3 sharps) but the F and G have natural signs to achieve the “b6” and “b7”. 

Then at 2:34 it modulates to Db major, which has 5 flats, but he does the same thing, the mixb6, flattening the Bb to a Bbb and the C to a Cb. 

Then at 4:08 he establishes himself in F (without changing the key sig) and plays the same scale on F, except this time because he already has 5 flats, he achieves the mixb6 by naturalising the 2nd and 3rd, instead of flattening the 6th and 7th like he did when in Db. God he was a genius.  

https://youtu.be/Xck9DrAvsX4

Omg, then at 7:45 he goes back to Db, but it’s scored as A again (wtf), so he’s really playing C#, and it’s initially C# phrygian, with its low 2, 3, 6 and 7, and then he moves to the C# mixb6, by sharpening the 2nd and 3rd. At 8:38. 

So at the end he’s playing the same scale as at 2:34 (C# mixb6 vs Db mixb6), but with a totally different key signature. I find that incredible. 

Chris_Bradley

Amazing, thanks for posting that piece. John Williams may have had some inspiration from that for both Marions and Leias themes with that - they have that mixolydian b6 vibe also. Very effective in pulling the heart strings.

viz

Chris_Bradley said:

Amazing, thanks for posting that piece. John Williams may have had some inspiration from that for both Marions and Leias themes with that - they have that mixolydian b6 vibe also. Very effective in pulling the heart strings.

https://youtu.be/eyHOUMWw5_M

Leia’s has a direct quote from the second theme of Rachmaninov’s 2nd concerto

2:34

https://youtu.be/kS8hk0kL2sE

victorludorum

Isn't the Rachmaninov piece the one that the writer of All By Myself completely ripped off? The adagio part

viz

victorludorum said:

Isn't the Rachmaninov piece the one that the writer of All By Myself completely ripped off? The adagio part

Ya, a few parts actually. Loads of people have used it and yep, Eric Carmen used Rachmaninov in a number of songs. He was very open about it and wanted to express his love for that music, rather than being a naughty rip-off - as far as I understand it anyway.