The F1 thread

stickyfiddle

Garthy said:

57Deluxe said:

So, if I were Toro Rosso, I would be a bit miffed that have had to give up the Renault engine and get the landed with the crappy Honda instead...

Yet they are jumping for joy. It's been reliable, its been fast and they are plying STR with millions. It was only crap while it was in the Mclaren and now the Renault is crap in the Mclaren while ace in the Red Bull, hence Boullier having the panic fueled sweat of a man who just cost a barbaric dictatorship $200m.

Apparently TR did go through several engines during testing, but they were changing them overnight as per their plan. I'm guessing the engine changes were at least partly so they could take each one back to Japan to strip it, and work out what bits (if any) were nearly knackered. 

So at worst they'll start at the back but should finish races, which might yet put them ahead of McLaren, who could get podiums but only if they stop cooking their engines. 

Clearly the Honda engine has not been a great success so far, but time will tell whether it's actually Honda's fault, or at least partly down to McLaren's inability to keep the thing cool enough.

simonk

Franz Tost seems to be the most vocal about the three engine limit for the season. With Honda taking three engines to the test it implies they’re not entirely convinced about long term reliability. 

stickyfiddle

simonk said:

Franz Tost seems to be the most vocal about the three engine limit for the season. With Honda taking three engines to the test it implies they’re not entirely convinced about long term reliability. 

Of course, cos he has to work with the one engine that went pop every other race all through last year. 

But tbh we're going to see so many penalties for all the Renault & Honda runners that that back end of the grid will be a lottery by the end of the year. 

Garthy

stickyfiddle said:

Garthy said:

57Deluxe said:

So, if I were Toro Rosso, I would be a bit miffed that have had to give up the Renault engine and get the landed with the crappy Honda instead...

Yet they are jumping for joy. It's been reliable, its been fast and they are plying STR with millions. It was only crap while it was in the Mclaren and now the Renault is crap in the Mclaren while ace in the Red Bull, hence Boullier having the panic fueled sweat of a man who just cost a barbaric dictatorship $200m.

Apparently TR did go through several engines during testing, but they were changing them overnight as per their plan. I'm guessing the engine changes were at least partly so they could take each one back to Japan to strip it, and work out what bits (if any) were nearly knackered. 

So at worst they'll start at the back but should finish races, which might yet put them ahead of McLaren, who could get podiums but only if they stop cooking their engines. 

Clearly the Honda engine has not been a great success so far, but time will tell whether it's actually Honda's fault, or at least partly down to McLaren's inability to keep the thing cool enough.

Week 1 had the AD engine and two HI-PO concepts, both of those lit up the speed traps with 334kph. Week 2 had a third concept engine though not as grunty as the HI-POs but a single engine that lasted over 4800km  and didn't blow up. For reference 7 GP weekends is 5250km. Mclaren barely managed much over 1100km in two weeks and used at least 3 engines.

Sauber at the back, then Williams. Sauber's car is under developed and the Williams is piloted by a pair of donkeys.

chillidoggy

Garthy said:

stickyfiddle said:

Garthy said:

57Deluxe said:

So, if I were Toro Rosso, I would be a bit miffed that have had to give up the Renault engine and get the landed with the crappy Honda instead...

Yet they are jumping for joy. It's been reliable, its been fast and they are plying STR with millions. It was only crap while it was in the Mclaren and now the Renault is crap in the Mclaren while ace in the Red Bull, hence Boullier having the panic fueled sweat of a man who just cost a barbaric dictatorship $200m.

Apparently TR did go through several engines during testing, but they were changing them overnight as per their plan. I'm guessing the engine changes were at least partly so they could take each one back to Japan to strip it, and work out what bits (if any) were nearly knackered. 

So at worst they'll start at the back but should finish races, which might yet put them ahead of McLaren, who could get podiums but only if they stop cooking their engines. 

Clearly the Honda engine has not been a great success so far, but time will tell whether it's actually Honda's fault, or at least partly down to McLaren's inability to keep the thing cool enough.

Week 1 had the AD engine and two HI-PO concepts, both of those lit up the speed traps with 334kph. Week 2 had a third concept engine though not as grunty as the HI-POs but a single engine that lasted over 4800km  and didn't blow up. For reference 7 GP weekends is 5250km. Mclaren barely managed much over 1100km in two weeks and used at least 3 engines.

Sauber at the back, then Williams. Sauber's car is under developed and the Williams is piloted by a pair of donkeys.

Rich donkeys.

Dontgiveupyourdayjob

First practices of 2018 finished.

Practice One was pretty ominous, with Mercedes looking in a completely different league, but P2 was a little more encouraging with Red Bull in particular nipping at the heels of the Mercs on race-sim pace. 

Haas looking like best of the rest behind the Ferraris so far...

PC_Dave

Think I’m bored already....

Fretwired

Dontgiveupyourdayjob said:

First practices of 2018 finished.

Practice One was pretty ominous, with Mercedes looking in a completely different league, but P2 was a little more encouraging with Red Bull in particular nipping at the heels of the Mercs on race-sim pace. 

Haas looking like best of the rest behind the Ferraris so far...

Happened last year - Hamilton even got pole and then Vettel won by over 10 seconds. Ferrari have a history of sandbagging.

Fretwired

Hamilton to Red Bull or Ferrari? Vettel and Ricciardo to Mercedes. Usual rumour circus starts.

chillidoggy

PC_Dave said:

Think I’m bored already....

My thoughts entirely.

Garthy

Fretwired said:

Hamilton to Red Bull or Ferrari? Vettel and Ricciardo to Mercedes. Usual rumour circus starts.

I don’t know where you get your info from, but they haven’t got a single prediction right in the three years i’ve been reading this forum.

Fretwired

Garthy said:

Fretwired said:

Hamilton to Red Bull or Ferrari? Vettel and Ricciardo to Mercedes. Usual rumour circus starts.

I don’t know where you get your info from, but they haven’t got a single prediction right in the three years i’ve been reading this forum.

BBC mate. I don't make this up you know ...

Garthy

Fretwired said:

Garthy said:

Fretwired said:

Hamilton to Red Bull or Ferrari? Vettel and Ricciardo to Mercedes. Usual rumour circus starts.

I don’t know where you get your info from, but they haven’t got a single prediction right in the three years i’ve been reading this forum.

BBC mate. I don't make this up you know ...

Andrew Benson!!!! Lol. He hasn’t got a bastard clue.

chillidoggy

I see Ricciardo has a three place penalty already!

Fretwired

Garthy said:

Fretwired said:

Garthy said:

Fretwired said:

Hamilton to Red Bull or Ferrari? Vettel and Ricciardo to Mercedes. Usual rumour circus starts.

I don’t know where you get your info from, but they haven’t got a single prediction right in the three years i’ve been reading this forum.

BBC mate. I don't make this up you know ...

Andrew Benson!!!! Lol. He hasn’t got a bastard clue.

True .. ;-)

Fretwired

chillidoggy said:

I see Ricciardo has a three place penalty already!

What for ... three places is odd?

PC_Dave

chillidoggy said:

I see Ricciardo has a three place penalty already!

What for?!? 

chillidoggy

http://www.planetf1.com/news/ricciardo-slapped-with-three-place-grid-penalty/

Fretwired

chillidoggy said:

http://www.planetf1.com/news/ricciardo-slapped-with-three-place-grid-penalty/

That's total crap. If he'd driven through an area in which there were marshals on the track at 180MPH then maybe .. but he didn't .. driving too slow. What a joke.

Cols

Fretwired said:

chillidoggy said:

http://www.planetf1.com/news/ricciardo-slapped-with-three-place-grid-penalty/

That's total crap. If he'd driven through an area in which there were marshals on the track at 180MPH then maybe .. but he didn't .. driving too slow. What a joke.

No, he was driving too fast.  “...the stewards have since ruled that Ricciardo did not slow down sufficiently enough when the red flags were enforced”.

A 3 place penalty suggests he wasn’t too far over though.