ToneX One - new release. Mini pedal with Amp Captures, Verb, IR loading etc - Kemper killer?

jamesguitar

TheBigDipper said:

gearaddict said:

When I first saw these I thought I could use it in the loop of my Boss GX-100 to add different/better amp options but I don’t think there’s any way to switch profiles other than stomping on it, right? No midi? In which case I don’t think it would work for that use case. 

It's the original pedal that obeys MIDI. Amp changes via PC commands are seemingly instantaneous. 

I’ve only ever used the ToneX as part of my midi rig. Never had an issue with switching, it’s been super reliable.

I finally got the ToneX One out the box this week and threw a bunch of Amalgam and Dumble profiles on it. Took it to a friend’s house so he could try it (he’s got a YouTube channel, so potentially going to review it). Working out how to switch to the other 15 profiles just wasn’t happening, so I definitely need to sit down with the manual and get to know it better. The main controls are user friendly and I think they smashed it out the park with the format / controls, but I was struggling to work out the more advanced controls without using the app.

jamesguitar

Tone Junkie just posted a video saying their ToneX capture packs are now out selling everything else (Kemper captures were their top sellers for years). Is this just a phase, or is ToneX now king of the capture world?

digitalscream

jamesguitar said:

Tone Junkie just posted a video saying their ToneX capture packs are now out selling everything else (Kemper captures were their top sellers for years). Is this just a phase, or is ToneX now king of the capture world?

I suspect they're automatically king because their profile player is the only one that's a truly mainstream price. And, just like the Helix in the modelling world, they have an all-software version too.

Jonathanthomas83

Could it also be that the Kemper stuff has been around for years and may have reached saturation point on sales, therefore there is more uptake on TJ Tonex captures right now.

jamesguitar

digitalscream said:

jamesguitar said:

Tone Junkie just posted a video saying their ToneX capture packs are now out selling everything else (Kemper captures were their top sellers for years). Is this just a phase, or is ToneX now king of the capture world?

I suspect they're automatically king because their profile player is the only one that's a truly mainstream price. And, just like the Helix in the modelling world, they have an all-software version too.

I think this is it. A ton of people that weren’t willing to spend £1k upwards to try capture tech are now buying into it for the price of a nice overdrive pedal. Unless you need the extra routing / monitoring options the Kemper brings or the additional effects, then it’s a much tougher sell at 8 times the price (and much more awkward to transport).

Jonathanthomas83 said:

Could it also be that the Kemper stuff has been around for years and may have reached saturation point on sales, therefore there is more uptake on TJ Tonex captures right now.

This is also very true. The more recently released Kemper Player looks like an excellent bit of kit though and is much smaller / cheaper than its bigger predecessor. I figured they’d be killing the market with that, especially with how establishes the captures are already for Kemper. Were they too late with it, or was the pricing off? 

As for Quad Cortex, the Neural DSP marketing campaigns are second to none in this space. Have they focussed too much on their plug-ins? I not seeing as many of them about as I thought I would. Still very keen to try one though - the form factor, weight and routing options are absolutely perfect for my needs.

Heartfeltdawn

Question: with the Dual Mode, could I have Amp A as a dry amp and Amp B with reverb? 

chrisj1602

Heartfeltdawn said:

Question: with the Dual Mode, could I have Amp A as a dry amp and Amp B with reverb? 

Yes. And you can easily add or remove reverb on the pedal once you’ve loaded the amps you want into A/B slots.

jamesguitar

Okay, so it looks like the ToneX One will have delay and modulation added to it too.

Crazy to think you can have multiple presets of Noise Gate, Amp Capture, Compression, Modulation, Delay and Reverb in a mini pedal format and power it off a simple power supply (or usb).

Modulation is = Chorus, Tremolo, Flanger, Phaser and Rotary.

If it’s the rotary from their T-Racks and Amplitube software, then it’s the official Hammond licensed algorithm and it’s as good as anything else out there. There’s now also additional reverbs and tape delay.

Does this change everything (*insert popular YouTubers here*)?

chrisj1602

It’s a really good upgrade isn’t it?! 

You can get a Tonex One for around £150 now, that’s a crazy amount of options for the money, as if it wasn’t good value already.

jpttaylor

I was on the fence about replacing my Ruby with a Tonex One, this has convinced me it's a worthwhile replacement. I'll probably only use a few captures but for such a low price I think it's a no-brainer.

jamesguitar

Announced today = IK are releasing completely new version of the editing software after completing the effects update. Live editing of pedal within software will now be possible, among other changes. 

Have got to hand it to them, they are listening.

DiscoStu

Sounds good @jamesguitar . 
When you see the app for the Nano Cortex it just looks so EASY and INTUITIVE, dare I say ENJOYABLE? 
I've got a Spark 40 amp and the app for that is a cinch to use (when it works, which it doesn't always).

thecolourbox

jamesguitar said:

Announced today = IK are releasing completely new version of the editing software after completing the effects update. Live editing of pedal within software will now be possible, among other changes. 

Have got to hand it to them, they are listening.

Thank the lord for that. I didn't necessarily think it was really any worse than the other modelling user interfaces that I use but being able to edit the pedal settings within the software will make things a hell of a lot easier 

digitalscream

Yeah, this is looking really good - this little pedal's going to have an insane amount of power.

I can't see myself using the delays, though...with no way to tap tempo, it's not a huge amount of use to me. The chorus might let me free up space on my board, though...

BintyTwanger77

You could attach the ToneX One to your guitar, it's so small for what it does, and you could gig without a pedalboard or an amp.

What a world. Soon, the Fractal Audio MX1: attach the mini-pedal sized unit's soft pads to your temples and let your brainwaves do the rest.

jamesguitar

digitalscream said:

Yeah, this is looking really good - this little pedal's going to have an insane amount of power.

I can't see myself using the delays, though...with no way to tap tempo, it's not a huge amount of use to me. The chorus might let me free up space on my board, though...

My understanding is you’ll be able to set one of the switches to function as tap tempo (on the bigger unit). There’s an external control output on the bigger unit too, so presumably can be used for that. Not sure how they’d do it on the mini pedal though!

I’m using the Quad Cortex more these days, but was using the bigger ToneX’s within a midi rig. Even with an 80’s show with a lot of complex patches I haven’t used tap tempo delays yet. I know it’s a very popular feature, would love to see what context it gets used. I’m guessing gigs where the drummer isn’t playing to a click / varies the tempo of a track a lot? Or is it more for gigs where you have just a few patches and need to manually control delay times? Personally I don’t mind the delay time being off with the tempo for most styles.

digitalscream

jamesguitar said:

digitalscream said:

Yeah, this is looking really good - this little pedal's going to have an insane amount of power.

I can't see myself using the delays, though...with no way to tap tempo, it's not a huge amount of use to me. The chorus might let me free up space on my board, though...

My understanding is you’ll be able to set one of the switches to function as tap tempo (on the bigger unit). There’s an external control output on the bigger unit too, so presumably can be used for that. Not sure how they’d do it on the mini pedal though!

I’m using the Quad Cortex more these days, but was using the bigger ToneX’s within a midi rig. Even with an 80’s show with a lot of complex patches I haven’t used tap tempo delays yet. I know it’s a very popular feature, would love to see what context it gets used. I’m guessing gigs where the drummer isn’t playing to a click / varies the tempo of a track a lot? Or is it more for gigs where you have just a few patches and need to manually control delay times? Personally I don’t mind the delay time being off with the tempo for most styles.

Yeah, I've got the baby version. I really only play at home these days, but the convenience of a tap tempo is great. Even without it, there's the compromise of a dedicated knob to quickly get where you want to be...but that's not there on the ONE either.

On the other hand, I've got the Keeley Eccos, which is a standard-sized pedal with tap tempo. That's about the best interface for my current purposes, and the ONE just A/Bs between rhythm and lead.

jamesguitar

digitalscream said:

jamesguitar said:

digitalscream said:

Yeah, this is looking really good - this little pedal's going to have an insane amount of power.

I can't see myself using the delays, though...with no way to tap tempo, it's not a huge amount of use to me. The chorus might let me free up space on my board, though...

My understanding is you’ll be able to set one of the switches to function as tap tempo (on the bigger unit). There’s an external control output on the bigger unit too, so presumably can be used for that. Not sure how they’d do it on the mini pedal though!

I’m using the Quad Cortex more these days, but was using the bigger ToneX’s within a midi rig. Even with an 80’s show with a lot of complex patches I haven’t used tap tempo delays yet. I know it’s a very popular feature, would love to see what context it gets used. I’m guessing gigs where the drummer isn’t playing to a click / varies the tempo of a track a lot? Or is it more for gigs where you have just a few patches and need to manually control delay times? Personally I don’t mind the delay time being off with the tempo for most styles.

Yeah, I've got the baby version. I really only play at home these days, but the convenience of a tap tempo is great. Even without it, there's the compromise of a dedicated knob to quickly get where you want to be...but that's not there on the ONE either.

On the other hand, I've got the Keeley Eccos, which is a standard-sized pedal with tap tempo. That's about the best interface for my current purposes, and the ONE just A/Bs between rhythm and lead.

Just had a look at the Eccos, looks great!

Beexter

jamesguitar said:

Announced today = IK are releasing completely new version of the editing software after completing the effects update. Live editing of pedal within software will now be possible, among other changes. 

Have got to hand it to them, they are listening.

If they are listening, a "Goldilocks" version in a "standard" sized pedal (not mini) with midi control would be a good addition to the lineup...

jpttaylor

So I've been playing around with Tonex One for a few hours and I'm honestly blown away at how good the amp sounds are.

I'd been under the impression that the UA Ruby would sound "better" but it's just not the case, I honestly prefer the free AC30 and AC50 captures from Amalgam Audio. The fact this costs around £150 is bonkers and I've not even tried the stompbox captures yet.