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Bartel Sugarland or Starwood

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rickd2112arickd2112a Frets: 90
edited December 2024 in Amps £
After missing out on Chris78's Starwood last weekend, I thought I ask if anyone is looking to sell a Sugarland or Starwood.

This is purely for use at home, hence looking at the Bartels due to the versatility and master volume.




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  • I've received a couple offers but neither amp was suitable for what I was looking for.

    Anyone else looking to sell their Sugarland or Starwood?

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  • @Tele37  ?
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  • Thanks both.
    This is one of the amps I was offered. However, it is a little older than I wanted (2019) and misses some of the mods that Mark made to them in 2020/22.


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  • Tele37Tele37 Frets: 88
    That’s actually me selling! Frustratingly, things have changed at home since I found one and I’m now selling most of my gear.
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  • Tele37 said:
    That’s actually me selling! Frustratingly, things have changed at home since I found one and I’m now selling most of my gear.
    Yes I did some Ebay detective work as I saw you had the acoustic for sale that looked like the one on here - I tagged you in just in case you hadn't seen rick's WTB post :-)
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  • Tele37Tele37 Frets: 88
    Tele37 said:
    That’s actually me selling! Frustratingly, things have changed at home since I found one and I’m now selling most of my gear.
    Yes I did some Ebay detective work as I saw you had the acoustic for sale that looked like the one on here - I tagged you in just in case you hadn't seen rick's WTB post :-)
    Appreciated, thanks man  :)
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  • So having got @Tele37 's Sugarland earlier in the week, I'm embarrassed to say I am probably one of the very few people that don't get on with the amp.
    It is an absolutely beautiful amp, and the clean sounds are fabulous, both Tweed and Black Panel. But I'm struggling to find breakup sounds that I prefer. I think this is due to the Tweed nature of the amp, and I much prefer Marshall sounds.

    Don't get me wrong, this an absolutely great amp, unfortunately not for me.

    So I'm going to relist it this afternoon - anyone that was originally interested in it, please drop me a line.
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  • GoldenEraGuitarsGoldenEraGuitars Frets: 9629
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    Sounds like you need a Marshall ;)
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  • chris78chris78 Frets: 10772
    So having got @Tele37 's Sugarland earlier in the week, I'm embarrassed to say I am probably one of the very few people that don't get on with the amp.
    It is an absolutely beautiful amp, and the clean sounds are fabulous, both Tweed and Black Panel. But I'm struggling to find breakup sounds that I prefer. I think this is due to the Tweed nature of the amp, and I much prefer Marshall sounds.

    Don't get me wrong, this an absolutely great amp, unfortunately not for me.

    So I'm going to relist it this afternoon - anyone that was originally interested in it, please drop me a line.
    I’m just going to say, be patient. Learn how the amp works and how to dial it in. 
    If you think it’s only a tweed amp, you’re doing it wrong 
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  • Tele37Tele37 Frets: 88
    Personally, I loved it. I would never have sold it if I didn't need to raise some funds. Should be an easy sale @rickd2112a!
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  • rickd2112a said: It is an absolutely beautiful amp, and the clean sounds are fabulous, both Tweed and Black Panel. I'm struggling to find breakup sounds that I prefer. I think this is due to the Tweed nature of the amp, and I much prefer Marshall sounds.
    I’ve had two Sugarlands and the sound I used to default to frequently was the saturated Plexi setting, I thought it was superb and very addictive. I thought the overdriven tweed and blackface sounds were also excellent and I wouldn’t say the amp has a tweed nature unless you select those specific settings. Are you using Mark Bartel’s suggested settings as a starting point? In my experience it’s the best way to find the classic amp sounds and then build your own tone from there. I’d have to agree with Chris that if you aren’t finding good breakup sounds in the amp then you just haven’t found the right settings yet, as the master volume is outstanding imho  But each to their own and whatever we think it may just not suit you, so GLWTS.


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  • Thanks Fretfinder.
    I chatted with Chris directly earlier as well.

     I’ve spent three days trying to dial it in. 

    I understand that it’s not a traditional tone stack, and I believe I understand the basic concept. For instance, rough approximations are TB = 5/5 approximates Tweed, TB = 10/10 ~ Black Panel, TB = 4/2 ~ Marshall. I’ve watched countless videos on how the preamp works (I found James on Guitar to be the best walkthrough). I started with Mark's suggestions and then worked through James' ideas as well. I've found BF (10/9) and Tweed 6/6 to be great cleans.

    I can get it to breakup no problem with the Master volume, but not quite liking the breakup sounds.

    I’m not looking for high gain Marshall sounds. I only play with it just breaking up, 

    I will sit down with the Sugarland again later today and see where I get to.

    Thanks

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  • rickd2112a said: Thanks Fretfinder. I understand that it’s not a traditional tone stack, and I believe I understand the basic concept. For instance, rough approximations are TB = 5/5 approximates Tweed, TB = 10/10 ~ Black Panel, TB = 4/2 ~ Marshall. I’ve watched countless videos on how the preamp works (I found James on Guitar to be the best walkthrough). I started with Mark's suggestions and then worked through James' ideas as well. I've found BF (10/9) and Tweed 6/6 to be great cleans.
    You’re welcome and good luck with it. Did you see the photo I posted in my previous comment, with the Bartel recommended settings? TB 4/2 is not the suggested Marshall setting. 
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  • Sharky77Sharky77 Frets: 377
    I picked up @chris78 ;Starwood thinking I'd have some fun with it, learn about it and then move it on but I honestly can't see myself ever selling this amp. It's incredible. For me the Black Panel sound is Treble/Bass - 8/8 and I usually set it at 7/6 for gigs to add a little more midrange. Playing by myself though I usually lean towards the 8/8 setting as it's simply stunning in isolation.

     I've got around 12 gigs on it already and I've been using mini humbuckers and humbuckers for gigs but it sounds equally great with single coils. I've found the suggested settings do need a bit of tweaking to allow for your particular guitar/pickups. I didn't like the suggested Marshall setting but found my own which sounds fantastic! 
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