Is there a decent non-US DAW?

Whistler

On https://www.reaper.fm/purchase.php it clearly states: Please download and evaluate REAPER before purchasing. You get 60 days of evaluation free, with full functionality.

Whistler

Anyway, back on-topic, Reaper is developed by Cockos, a company in New York, so Reaper will not be acceptable to the OP who is asking for a decent non-US DAW.

colourofsound

Whistler said:

On https://www.reaper.fm/purchase.php it clearly states: Please download and evaluate REAPER before purchasing. You get 60 days of evaluation free, with full functionality.

Sure. But they don’t enforce it once you download the software. They’ve designed it that way, it’s not stealing. They leave it to the user to choose to pay for it, if they are able to.

Essentially, they’re making sure anyone with a computer can use it, because they’re good people. Not everyone can afford it, but those that can, should pay for it.

monquixote

colourofsound said:

Whistler said:

On https://www.reaper.fm/purchase.php it clearly states: Please download and evaluate REAPER before purchasing. You get 60 days of evaluation free, with full functionality.

Sure. But they don’t enforce it once you download the software. They’ve designed it that way, it’s not stealing. They leave it to the user to choose to pay for it, if they are able to.

Essentially, they’re making sure anyone with a computer can use it, because they’re good people. Not everyone can afford it, but those that can, should pay for it.

All the more reason to pay for it unless you genuinely can't afford to.

DuploLicks

monquixote said:

colourofsound said:

Whistler said:

On https://www.reaper.fm/purchase.php it clearly states: Please download and evaluate REAPER before purchasing. You get 60 days of evaluation free, with full functionality.

Sure. But they don’t enforce it once you download the software. They’ve designed it that way, it’s not stealing. They leave it to the user to choose to pay for it, if they are able to.

Essentially, they’re making sure anyone with a computer can use it, because they’re good people. Not everyone can afford it, but those that can, should pay for it.

All the more reason to pay for it unless you genuinely can't afford to.

I hadn’t looked at Reaper but went for Cubase Elements at £83 which I thought was a good price to get started then I saw Reaper was $60! And people don’t want to give the devs that?! It looks like a 2-3 guys & a bunch of volunteers.  

fretmeister

Whistler said:

fretmeister said:

Use Reaper and never pay for it. 

That is an offensive and unacceptable suggestion. The world does not exist so that you can steal from others.

@Whistler ;

Reaper has an open ended trial period that can be renewed as many times as you like. 
They ask that you pay after 60 days of use but they also specifically allow you to continue evaluating it without making it non-functional / limiting features.

As it happens I think it's the best $60 I ever spent on a bit of music software.

fretmeister

DuploLicks said:

monquixote said:

colourofsound said:

Whistler said:

On https://www.reaper.fm/purchase.php it clearly states: Please download and evaluate REAPER before purchasing. You get 60 days of evaluation free, with full functionality.

Sure. But they don’t enforce it once you download the software. They’ve designed it that way, it’s not stealing. They leave it to the user to choose to pay for it, if they are able to.

Essentially, they’re making sure anyone with a computer can use it, because they’re good people. Not everyone can afford it, but those that can, should pay for it.

All the more reason to pay for it unless you genuinely can't afford to.

I hadn’t looked at Reaper but went for Cubase Elements at £83 which I thought was a good price to get started then I saw Reaper was $60! And people don’t want to give the devs that?! It looks like a 2-3 guys & a bunch of volunteers.  

It's ace - and it also seems to have the best youtube tutorial vids for any DAW as well. The Adam Steel ones are particularly good.

I actually paid for the deluxe training video set that is a download only. 

Musicwolf

For most of us home recordists, I don't think that there's much to choose between the different DAWs.  What matters more is;

If you have already invested a significant amount of time becoming familiar with a particular system.  I personally like Cubase because I've used it, in its various incarnations, for more than thirty years.  I'm very happy with it, and it makes no sense for me to change, but there's no reason for me to recommend it to someone else over any other platform.

If you are starting afresh, then probably best to choose a platform with the best support.  If you know someone who can provide hands-on assistance, then there's a strong case for choosing the same platform.  Failing that, go with something that has plenty of YouTube tutorials.

If you do use Reaper, or similar, then FFS pay for it.  $60 is very good value for money.  Just because you can get away without paying doesn't mean that you should in the same way that you wouldn't march into someone's house and walk off with their guitar just because the front door was open.

DuploLicks

fretmeister said:

As it happens I think it's the best $60 I ever spent on a bit of music software.

I’m glad you clarified that this has made me re-evaluate my usage of OpenShot video editor which I’ve used loads for light video editing duties. They’ll be getting a donation very soon. 

fretmeister

Musicwolf said:

If you do use Reaper, or similar, then FFS pay for it.  $60 is very good value for money.  Just because you can get away without paying doesn't mean that you should in the same way that you wouldn't march into someone's house and walk off with their guitar just because the front door was open.

That really isn't the same thing at all. Massive false equivalency there. That example would be theft. The homeowner has not given you permission to do that.

Using Reaper beyond 60 days is not theft: it is allowed for. There's even a specific button for "Still Evaluating". At the very best it might be conversion or another tort but that still isn't theft that would be a civil offence not criminal. It might be breach of contract, but with the Still Evaluating button those sorts of action is unlikely to succeed as it is a specific invitation to keep using it for free and there's no consideration (payment) at that point. 

$60 is a bargain, absolutely. But not paying is no kind of offence.

If people want to go digging for things, then I wonder how many professionals have paid the amateur $60 fee rather than the more expensive pro fee? Paying $60 then generating more than $20K from it's use would definitely be a breach and be actionable - far more than using the "Still Evaluating" button ever could be. Genuine consideration in contract applies at that point with the purchaser specifically agreeing that the software won't be used to generate more than $20K per year.


I do think people should pay for it. But I'm not going to get all upset about the actions of others that have been specifically allowed for by the Reaper devs. I think they are mad for not making it time limited, but it's their product and their choice.

fretmeister

DuploLicks said:

fretmeister said:

As it happens I think it's the best $60 I ever spent on a bit of music software.

I’m glad you clarified that this has made me re-evaluate my usage of OpenShot video editor which I’ve used loads for light video editing duties. They’ll be getting a donation very soon. 

Is it good? I've been using the free version of Capcut. The free version has limited features but I also don't know if I'd ever use the posh options. I only ever do little play-a-long covers vids and nothing else.

Capcut is really easy to use. I had a look at Da Vinci Resolve and just turned it off 5 mins after starting to watch a "Basics" tutorial on youtube!  

rze99

I use Reason. I like it. No time to try out loads of others any more.

streethawk

Is nobody going to ask why OP doesn’t want a US made DAW? I’m befuddled. Compatibility issues with Intel Macs?