What Tonex captures for a pedal platform?

DiscoStu

I'm using Tonex as I have a bad back, but have been considering using some distortion pedals again. 
What are good captures to use as a pedal platform?

fretmeister

Tone Junkies have some excellent plexi captures. They use the PRS Hendrix signature amp and it’s ace.

They have some free one on the website.

TheBigDipper

In the recent past, I've been using Amalgam amp/cab captures for a "go direct" live setup. I'm 99% acoustic at the moment, though. My favourite is the Bartel Roseland, but I also like the Tone King Imperial. Both are decent pedal platform amps that work well for me and I'd use them again. My general sound is clean to edge-of-breakup with a Fender-ish flavour. 

These captures also include some with the amps at full chat, so I found it easier to just use those for distortion sounds rather than put a pedal in front of them. It saves on gain staging issues with the input and the risk of digital clipping. But I know other people are fine with that and don't get a problem. 

fretmeister

Today’s layout.

HX Stomp is doing compression, delay, verb, and has an Octavia as well.
Tonex is in the loop of the stomp so I can’t have fx before and after the Tonex amp sound.

DiscoStu

I was expecting 'Fender' comments. I'll try some of these out!

fretmeister

Get on Tone Junkies mailing list. They do regular deals sometimes with more than 80% off.

DiscoStu

I'm on it already. I get loads of emails from them in my spam, I should maybe read some of them 

springhead

I had a night recently where I couldn’t sleep. One of those 80% emails came in about 5am so immediately bought their everything pack which worked out at 30 odd quid instead of $199. I doubt anyone pays the full price though with all the deals they do. 

fretmeister

springhead said:

I had a night recently where I couldn’t sleep. One of those 80% emails came in about 5am so immediately bought their everything pack which worked out at 30 odd quid instead of $199. I doubt anyone pays the full price though with all the deals they do. 

I got the Everything Pack for £12!

Absolute steal. 

springhead

Ha well done!

renaldo

Some of the Amalgam packs come with captures designed to be a platform for drive and fuzz pedals, they have PED in the name. But not every set of captures has them so you'd have to check before buying, and when they do it's only one or two in a pack that usually has 20 - 30 captures of that amp. I've also never tried using them with pedals.

grungebob

When I had my T one pedal I found it hit and miss with captures that worked well with a Rat pedal. 

Some sounded glorious as stand alone captures but woe full with the Rat pedal  
you just need to try and try in my experience. 

DiscoStu

80% email just arrived! 

fretmeister

Nice! 

guitartango

DiscoStu said:

I'm using Tonex as I have a bad back, but have been considering using some distortion pedals again. 
What are good captures to use as a pedal platform?

You might want to check out the Sultans of Stomp 

https://www.sultansofstomp.com/

Some good captures here, I wanted the Beatles Pedal, sounds really good into my amp 

mojofilters

I've just got a used Tonex One and so far it's really impressed me. With my current relatively modest requirements for both guitar and bass - primarily as a pedal platform - I'm struggling to see how any of the more expensive options (QC, Fractal, Helix) would improve on what I'm using in terms of overall sound quality.

The value for money seems insane if you're just looking for high quality base tones, I doubt I'll bother diving deeper into the basic effects though it will be handy learning how to dial in a touch of simple reverb when I start exploring the guitar side a bit more, plus I should probably check my input trim for when I add more pedals. So far the complexity of the pedal's UI has put me off that kind of tweaking. Online guides have a habit of only telling you how to start editing on the pedal itself, forgetting that idiots like me need to be told if and how I then exit those modes, saving as necessary, to use the sounds I've just tweaked! 

The clean Dumble preset with EVM12L IRs near the top of the factory ones seems fine, I just need to actually check it takes pedals well. I'm looking for a Fendery clean with some decent bass extension (I'm using this alone at home) so that should tick those boxes unless folks have other suggestions that are not too difficult or expensive to drop in its place. 

Although I've got all my software sorted, product registered etc, I still don't quite understand how it all works - especially the business of working out whether I should just be staying in Tonex Editor (great apart from all the premium things I can't use!) or further exploring the other Tonex software and also the tone.net site?

I've loaded bass amps into my A/B mode slots; Capital Sin was a good forum recommendation for clean, deep vintage SVT plus 8x10 sound, as Tonex's own clean equivalent is listed but not available in my SE software. Their driven "premium" equivalent option is however included (BS SVX 2, I think) and offers a slightly different flavour of SVT that might be as much due to the different type of IR used, since the "driven" tone is very mild even at silly volumes with heaps of extra flub-free deep bass through my Beyer DT990s! 

I've bought the MIDI Chief app and seem to have successfully connected the pedal, I'm just not sure what I'm potentially controlling with it and have given up on that for now as I don't really have a MIDI controller to use with it, though would happily try something cheap if strongly recommended. I've also just started using a cheap M-vave IR Box which is very impressive just using the factory bass amps after my uber-clean and hifi Eden WTDI preamp, but I should learn how to find and load some better 8x10s and B15 types to get the best of it. I don't know if there's anything MIDI can do with that pedal? 

The biggest issue so far is simply that I honestly can't remember how I got all the presets loaded into the library in the Librarian part, though I'm pretty sure the Dumble Clean and Tonex driven Ampeg SVT were already available there to drag and drop. I think I found Capital Sin elsewhere, but I tried so many things (whilst constantly updating software, firmware, re-registering the pedal itself etc) I can't recall which ones worked to get the preset in the library and available to drop in? 

I'd be happy to buy a heavily discounted bundle of useful additional IRs and so forth, I just wouldn't know what's worth having or what extra functionality I'll actually want or need? There's obviously a lot to explore without spending money so I'm in no rush right now. I would like to explore the Amplitube SE software included once I'm more up to speed, so I assume I'd be buying stuff that unlocks extra functionality in that program too with one of these bundles. 

I'd be keen to hear if anyone has any experience with the MIDI Chief app, as I'm not very MIDI literate and find the entire interface confused and confusing! So far I've only used the Tonex with DT990s and I can't recall if they're 32R and the cable got replaced or if they're just the regular 250R model, but I'm needing to use a headphone amp in line to get any decent volume from the pedal. Thankfully even the tiny £15 rechargeable Esynic model works perfectly happily producing clean, ear-splitting volumes with earth-moving bass depths - I'd definitely recommend trying a cheap headphone amp for anyone maxing out the volume plugging in direct, I'm just impressed they managed to get any kind of headphone interface included in that tiny package. 

dangriffiths

Amalgam Benson Chimera is my favourite for this. 

andy_k

mojofilters said:

I've just got a used Tonex One and so far it's really impressed me. With my current relatively modest requirements for both guitar and bass - primarily as a pedal platform - I'm struggling to see how any of the more expensive options (QC, Fractal, Helix) would improve on what I'm using in terms of overall sound quality.

The value for money seems insane if you're just looking for high quality base tones, I doubt I'll bother diving deeper into the basic effects though it will be handy learning how to dial in a touch of simple reverb when I start exploring the guitar side a bit more, plus I should probably check my input trim for when I add more pedals. So far the complexity of the pedal's UI has put me off that kind of tweaking. Online guides have a habit of only telling you how to start editing on the pedal itself, forgetting that idiots like me need to be told if and how I then exit those modes, saving as necessary, to use the sounds I've just tweaked! 

The clean Dumble preset with EVM12L IRs near the top of the factory ones seems fine, I just need to actually check it takes pedals well. I'm looking for a Fendery clean with some decent bass extension (I'm using this alone at home) so that should tick those boxes unless folks have other suggestions that are not too difficult or expensive to drop in its place. 

Although I've got all my software sorted, product registered etc, I still don't quite understand how it all works - especially the business of working out whether I should just be staying in Tonex Editor (great apart from all the premium things I can't use!) or further exploring the other Tonex software and also the tone.net site?

I've loaded bass amps into my A/B mode slots; Capital Sin was a good forum recommendation for clean, deep vintage SVT plus 8x10 sound, as Tonex's own clean equivalent is listed but not available in my SE software. Their driven "premium" equivalent option is however included (BS SVX 2, I think) and offers a slightly different flavour of SVT that might be as much due to the different type of IR used, since the "driven" tone is very mild even at silly volumes with heaps of extra flub-free deep bass through my Beyer DT990s! 

I've bought the MIDI Chief app and seem to have successfully connected the pedal, I'm just not sure what I'm potentially controlling with it and have given up on that for now as I don't really have a MIDI controller to use with it, though would happily try something cheap if strongly recommended. I've also just started using a cheap M-vave IR Box which is very impressive just using the factory bass amps after my uber-clean and hifi Eden WTDI preamp, but I should learn how to find and load some better 8x10s and B15 types to get the best of it. I don't know if there's anything MIDI can do with that pedal? 

The biggest issue so far is simply that I honestly can't remember how I got all the presets loaded into the library in the Librarian part, though I'm pretty sure the Dumble Clean and Tonex driven Ampeg SVT were already available there to drag and drop. I think I found Capital Sin elsewhere, but I tried so many things (whilst constantly updating software, firmware, re-registering the pedal itself etc) I can't recall which ones worked to get the preset in the library and available to drop in? 

I'd be happy to buy a heavily discounted bundle of useful additional IRs and so forth, I just wouldn't know what's worth having or what extra functionality I'll actually want or need? There's obviously a lot to explore without spending money so I'm in no rush right now. I would like to explore the Amplitube SE software included once I'm more up to speed, so I assume I'd be buying stuff that unlocks extra functionality in that program too with one of these bundles. 

I'd be keen to hear if anyone has any experience with the MIDI Chief app, as I'm not very MIDI literate and find the entire interface confused and confusing! So far I've only used the Tonex with DT990s and I can't recall if they're 32R and the cable got replaced or if they're just the regular 250R model, but I'm needing to use a headphone amp in line to get any decent volume from the pedal. Thankfully even the tiny £15 rechargeable Esynic model works perfectly happily producing clean, ear-splitting volumes with earth-moving bass depths - I'd definitely recommend trying a cheap headphone amp for anyone maxing out the volume plugging in direct, I'm just impressed they managed to get any kind of headphone interface included in that tiny package. 

It is all a bit much isn't it,
for ultimate flexibility and control, have a look into this--
https://github.com/Builty/TonexOneController

The T1 has just enough stuff to make it easy, without having too much available.
Remember, any tweaks you make on the pedal, are saved on top of the patch you have selected- something that bugs a lot of people. and it is easy to tweak settings away from the original patch.
I am using the midi controller linked above, and have my T1 also running through a cheap battery powered headphone amp, into a single 1 x 12 cab, best tones achieved at home ever, so far.
The midi controller gives you access to 20 patches, so that is plenty enough for variety, without becoming overwhelming, and the best way to think of a patch is that it is set to be the way it should sound, drastic moves with the tone settings are getting away from the core tone.
I check out Tone Net pretty often, and there are plenty of free models out there- no need to buy anything extra, and the factory patches are as good as anything else.
I'm using the apps to just load up the patches that I like, and making minor adjustments on the pedal to suit the speaker, and to balance things between patches, but  if you just check out the top 10 patches, you will see they don't really change much over time.
Everything is a lot easier to manage via the midi editor, as every setting is available on a connected phone, so no real need to use a PC, really makes the T1 a no brainer.

Cowboyyeehaa1

andy_k said:

mojofilters said:

I've just got a used Tonex One and so far it's really impressed me. With my current relatively modest requirements for both guitar and bass - primarily as a pedal platform - I'm struggling to see how any of the more expensive options (QC, Fractal, Helix) would improve on what I'm using in terms of overall sound quality.

The value for money seems insane if you're just looking for high quality base tones, I doubt I'll bother diving deeper into the basic effects though it will be handy learning how to dial in a touch of simple reverb when I start exploring the guitar side a bit more, plus I should probably check my input trim for when I add more pedals. So far the complexity of the pedal's UI has put me off that kind of tweaking. Online guides have a habit of only telling you how to start editing on the pedal itself, forgetting that idiots like me need to be told if and how I then exit those modes, saving as necessary, to use the sounds I've just tweaked! 

The clean Dumble preset with EVM12L IRs near the top of the factory ones seems fine, I just need to actually check it takes pedals well. I'm looking for a Fendery clean with some decent bass extension (I'm using this alone at home) so that should tick those boxes unless folks have other suggestions that are not too difficult or expensive to drop in its place. 

Although I've got all my software sorted, product registered etc, I still don't quite understand how it all works - especially the business of working out whether I should just be staying in Tonex Editor (great apart from all the premium things I can't use!) or further exploring the other Tonex software and also the tone.net site?

I've loaded bass amps into my A/B mode slots; Capital Sin was a good forum recommendation for clean, deep vintage SVT plus 8x10 sound, as Tonex's own clean equivalent is listed but not available in my SE software. Their driven "premium" equivalent option is however included (BS SVX 2, I think) and offers a slightly different flavour of SVT that might be as much due to the different type of IR used, since the "driven" tone is very mild even at silly volumes with heaps of extra flub-free deep bass through my Beyer DT990s! 

I've bought the MIDI Chief app and seem to have successfully connected the pedal, I'm just not sure what I'm potentially controlling with it and have given up on that for now as I don't really have a MIDI controller to use with it, though would happily try something cheap if strongly recommended. I've also just started using a cheap M-vave IR Box which is very impressive just using the factory bass amps after my uber-clean and hifi Eden WTDI preamp, but I should learn how to find and load some better 8x10s and B15 types to get the best of it. I don't know if there's anything MIDI can do with that pedal? 

The biggest issue so far is simply that I honestly can't remember how I got all the presets loaded into the library in the Librarian part, though I'm pretty sure the Dumble Clean and Tonex driven Ampeg SVT were already available there to drag and drop. I think I found Capital Sin elsewhere, but I tried so many things (whilst constantly updating software, firmware, re-registering the pedal itself etc) I can't recall which ones worked to get the preset in the library and available to drop in? 

I'd be happy to buy a heavily discounted bundle of useful additional IRs and so forth, I just wouldn't know what's worth having or what extra functionality I'll actually want or need? There's obviously a lot to explore without spending money so I'm in no rush right now. I would like to explore the Amplitube SE software included once I'm more up to speed, so I assume I'd be buying stuff that unlocks extra functionality in that program too with one of these bundles. 

I'd be keen to hear if anyone has any experience with the MIDI Chief app, as I'm not very MIDI literate and find the entire interface confused and confusing! So far I've only used the Tonex with DT990s and I can't recall if they're 32R and the cable got replaced or if they're just the regular 250R model, but I'm needing to use a headphone amp in line to get any decent volume from the pedal. Thankfully even the tiny £15 rechargeable Esynic model works perfectly happily producing clean, ear-splitting volumes with earth-moving bass depths - I'd definitely recommend trying a cheap headphone amp for anyone maxing out the volume plugging in direct, I'm just impressed they managed to get any kind of headphone interface included in that tiny package. 

It is all a bit much isn't it,
for ultimate flexibility and control, have a look into this--
https://github.com/Builty/TonexOneController

The T1 has just enough stuff to make it easy, without having too much available.
Remember, any tweaks you make on the pedal, are saved on top of the patch you have selected- something that bugs a lot of people. and it is easy to tweak settings away from the original patch.
I am using the midi controller linked above, and have my T1 also running through a cheap battery powered headphone amp, into a single 1 x 12 cab, best tones achieved at home ever, so far.
The midi controller gives you access to 20 patches, so that is plenty enough for variety, without becoming overwhelming, and the best way to think of a patch is that it is set to be the way it should sound, drastic moves with the tone settings are getting away from the core tone.
I check out Tone Net pretty often, and there are plenty of free models out there- no need to buy anything extra, and the factory patches are as good as anything else.
I'm using the apps to just load up the patches that I like, and making minor adjustments on the pedal to suit the speaker, and to balance things between patches, but  if you just check out the top 10 patches, you will see they don't really change much over time.
Everything is a lot easier to manage via the midi editor, as every setting is available on a connected phone, so no real need to use a PC, really makes the T1 a no brainer.

Is there an idiot proof guide to the controller in that github link?  Ive had an mwave chocolate sitting in its box for a while - bought to go with my t1 - and pretty much gave up on trying to figure it out.....

andy_k

Cowboyyeehaa1 said:

andy_k said:

mojofilters said:

I've just got a used Tonex One and so far it's really impressed me. With my current relatively modest requirements for both guitar and bass - primarily as a pedal platform - I'm struggling to see how any of the more expensive options (QC, Fractal, Helix) would improve on what I'm using in terms of overall sound quality.

The value for money seems insane if you're just looking for high quality base tones, I doubt I'll bother diving deeper into the basic effects though it will be handy learning how to dial in a touch of simple reverb when I start exploring the guitar side a bit more, plus I should probably check my input trim for when I add more pedals. So far the complexity of the pedal's UI has put me off that kind of tweaking. Online guides have a habit of only telling you how to start editing on the pedal itself, forgetting that idiots like me need to be told if and how I then exit those modes, saving as necessary, to use the sounds I've just tweaked! 

The clean Dumble preset with EVM12L IRs near the top of the factory ones seems fine, I just need to actually check it takes pedals well. I'm looking for a Fendery clean with some decent bass extension (I'm using this alone at home) so that should tick those boxes unless folks have other suggestions that are not too difficult or expensive to drop in its place
----CLIP------ 
perfectly happily producing clean, ear-splitting volumes with earth-moving bass depths - I'd definitely recommend trying a cheap headphone amp for anyone maxing out the volume plugging in direct, I'm just impressed they managed to get any kind of headphone interface included in that tiny package. 

It is all a bit much isn't it,
for ultimate flexibility and control, have a look into this--
https://github.com/Builty/TonexOneController

The T1 has just enough stuff to make it easy, without having too much available.
---CLIP----
there are plenty of free models out there- no need to buy anything extra, and the factory patches are as good as anything else.
I'm using the apps to just load up the patches that I like, and making minor adjustments on the pedal to suit the speaker, and to balance things between patches, but  if you just check out the top 10 patches, you will see they don't really change much over time.
Everything is a lot easier to manage via the midi editor, as every setting is available on a connected phone, so no real need to use a PC, really makes the T1 a no brainer.

Is there an idiot proof guide to the controller in that github link?  Ive had an mwave chocolate sitting in its box for a while - bought to go with my t1 - and pretty much gave up on trying to figure it out.....

I consider myself quite high on the idiot scale, and I managed to get a few versions of the controller working well, amazingly well really.
First point is to decide what you actually need, ie, touch screen control??, compact unit??. visuals??
There are now many options, and depending on which you choose, will determine how many buttons you can use natively ( a screen, and a touch control option will reduce how many you can hardwire- but a small board can be added to add up to 16 ( i think ) switches.)
The biggest, baddest version, is the 4.3b, which has a large touchscreen, and will work with 9v power supplies, but does need the expansion board to use 4 switches.
I built this version, into an enclosure with a USB power supply, and the T1 pedal, and 4 switches-so, 5 banks of 4 patches, all fully controllable either via the pedal, or by the web app ( phone)
I also built a couple of the much smaller 1.69 versions, which can support 4 switches, and the only real issue is making a nice box to fit it in. These versions usually need a 5v supply, which either needs some form of adaptor, or, as I do, work mainly from a USB battery powerbank - which also powers the T1.
The Chocolate controller you have will also work- there are settings in there to use it, and it will make it's connections via blutooth, and will have its own layer of app / software to play with.
I'd suggest you spend a bit of time looking at the Github site, to see what has been done with the project, and maybe try out one of the cheaper options to get started, say about £15 for the midi board, and a set of 4 switches for around a tenner. The big daddy controller is about £45, so it is a lot to experiment with-but it does make the T1 an even more amazing device.
Sales pitch over.