Joy Division / New Order

ElectricXII

suspiciousminds said:

Snap said:

ewal said:

Really enjoyed Stephen Morris's books on JD and NO - worth a read if you're a fan. Absolutely bonkers that they made such innovative electronic music with what by today's standards would be extremely primitive gear.

I am actually about 3/4 way through his second book, he's a really entertaining writer, v funny.

All Peter Hook's books are brilliant too, was surprised at the amount of technical info that's in them too. 

However, Bernard Sumner's book is REALLY dull.

Tbh, Sumners a bit of a narky sod anyway.
I’ve met hooky a couple of times and he was brilliant.
When i met New Order though Sumner was grumpy as shit, whereas Gillian,Steven and Hooky were great.
Saw New Order in Wolverhampton too in the mid 80’s and Sumner was in a foul mood - i think he called some of the audience cunts, and towards the end of the gig threw his strat across the stage,walked off, no encore nothing.

Maybe it's because he knows he can't sing to save his life?

ewal

Ach - but it's a perfect fit for the music! You could say the same about loads of the most iconic acts. Give me a Bernard Sumner, a Kim Gordon or Mark E Smith over a virtuoso any day of the week!

Vintage65

ewal said:

Ach - but it's a perfect fit for the music! You could say the same about loads of the most iconic acts. Give me a Bernard Sumner, a Kim Gordon or Mark E Smith over a virtuoso any day of the week!

Everything about New Order is perfect!

Snap

ewal said:

Ach - but it's a perfect fit for the music! You could say the same about loads of the most iconic acts. Give me a Bernard Sumner, a Kim Gordon or Mark E Smith over a virtuoso any day of the week!

This, and more. Bernard Sumner is also an often overlooked guitarist too, and a really good producer. All of them learnt their craft, musical and technical from scratch, and they were real pioneers of music technology - you only have to listen to early NO stuff to see how they influenced dance music's evolution.

Vintage65

Snap said:

ewal said:

Ach - but it's a perfect fit for the music! You could say the same about loads of the most iconic acts. Give me a Bernard Sumner, a Kim Gordon or Mark E Smith over a virtuoso any day of the week!

This, and more. Bernard Sumner is also an often overlooked guitarist too, and a really good producer. All of them learnt their craft, musical and technical from scratch, and they were real pioneers of music technology - you only have to listen to early NO stuff to see how they influenced dance music's evolution.

You also have to factor in Ian Curtis killing himself days before a pivotal American tour that would have changed their trajectory. Most people aren't coming back from that, so what they achieved is quite incredible really.

suspiciousminds

Snap said:

ewal said:

Ach - but it's a perfect fit for the music! You could say the same about loads of the most iconic acts. Give me a Bernard Sumner, a Kim Gordon or Mark E Smith over a virtuoso any day of the week!

This, and more. Bernard Sumner is also an often overlooked guitarist too, and a really good producer. All of them learnt their craft, musical and technical from scratch, and they were real pioneers of music technology - you only have to listen to early NO stuff to see how they influenced dance music's evolution.

Yep 100%

But i actually think sumner was a better guitarist in JD than NO.
You can hear how rough they were initially in some of the bootleg live recordings, but they really got good.
Curtis’ voice too, just brilliant in my opinion.
I like The Fall too, i saw them in the 80’s then a few months before MES died - the music was great but he was so out of it he just wondered around the stage rambling and pulling out the cables on Elenas synth and all the guitar amps, shortly after that he was in a wheelchair then sadly passed away.

GuyBoden

I do think "Mark E Smith" should have a statue in Prestwich.

"Joy Division" were a bit pretentious in comparison to "The Fall" in the 1970's.

"The North Will Raise Again", but it will turn out wrong again. 

Vintage65

Another thing, how did they get from this to Blue Monday?

ewal

A willingness to experiment and not follow convention.

GuyBoden

Vintage65 said:

Another thing, how did they get from this to Blue Monday?

They spent a long time dancing in the New York clubbing scene in the 1980's.

Snap

GuyBoden said:

I do think "Mark E Smith" should have a statue in Prestwich.

"Joy Division" were a bit pretentious in comparison to "The Fall" in the 1970's.

"The North Will Raise Again", but it will turn out wrong again. 

I don't think JD were pretentious at all. Opposite of that. Two Salford lads, rough arses, two Macc lads, one a geek, the other a deep thinker, but a rough arse too. Brilliant