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  • 2 wickets in that session , just rinse and repeat twice  =)
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  • This is too tough a grind for England, the bowling is too good, it comes in waves and bursts of excellence, they will scrape to lunch but wickets will fall through the afternoon.

    Atherton's body language at the lunch summary on Sky says it all. Impending inevitability against a superb bowling attack.
    In this game we've had 1.5 up for it bowlers against a top six with 2 guys in form, one of them outstandingly so. 

    They have 3 bowlers up for it against a top six with one guy in form. 

    Not difficult to see why we're losing. Had they an opener in form with the bat, they'd have won this series by now. 




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  • OK... England and runs. We haven't scored 500 in an innings since August 2017. 

    Since then and not including this series, we have had 43 English innings, scoring 11,617 runs with 404 wickets down. 

    That's 28.75 runs per wicket. 

    That's 270.16 runs per innings. 

    Australia in that same time period has had 35 innings, scoring 9,508 runs with 297 wickets down. 

    That's 32.01 per wicket. 

    That's 271.66 runs per innings. Looks fairly fair, yes? 

    You then have to consider that in that time period Australia played a total of 19 Tests. 6 of them were without Smith and Warner, their best two batsmen. Imagine what England's average would have been like above if Root and whomever our second best batsman was in that time were unavailable for nearly of a third of the Tests. 

    During this time period up to his ban, Smith played 10 Tests and scored 948 runs at 63.20

    In that same time period, Root played 22 Tests, 1396 runs at 35.79. 

    It really does reinterate how outstanding Smith is and how important he is to the team with the bat and how far Root has dropped off the last few years. 



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  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Frets: 13929
    edited September 2019
    Current odds:

    349/1 England to win 
    16/5 for the draw
    2/7 Australia to win

    £10 on the England win at 349/1 = A new Fender Custom Shop Tele


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  • guitars4youguitars4you Frets: 14036
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    point taken, but the difference with a bowler is that he has a defined routine that is, or should be set in stone - Can understand a pace bowler straining and busting a gut to maximise his energy into a delivery - But this is a casual stroll forward - Back off 2 or 3" on the run up and it won't happen - I'm sure hell learn from it - He won't make as big an error again - Or he shouldn't, especially with such a big scalp in the biggest  TEST of them all
    And a batsman has a defined routine right down to trigger points for picking the bat up. The routine is arguably even more ingrained than the bowling run up and action. So why is it blasphemy for a slow bowler to very occasionally bowl a no ball yet a batsman taking no run up at all will be relatively immune to gibberish like this from Neil Squires of the Express:

     
    But often a stumping is from a spin bowler - The batsman might be over charging down the wicket to be be more aggressive' - He might be taking a stride forward to get to the pitch of the ball and 'fall off balance' - The ball is coming at him from different lengths, angles, spin, bounce, so the batsman is not facing a pre-set motion that is identical every delivery - As such he is not going through the same identical routine once the ball is heading towards him

    Also IMO Leach is still out of order and at fault for a no ball - I'm allowed a view point 

    Maybe it won't matter now, as the Ashes is probably staying with the Aussies - But one key moment can sometimes win/loose a match, or at least have a major impact at a key point of the match - Look at 'Gary' at the end of the 3rd Test and the 'failed' run-out - Not only did the no ball ensure Smith got around another 100 runs, it will have ensured the team ride of the back of that , batting alongside him, so maybe 170 extra runs for the team
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  • 53 overs, 3 hours play, 5 wickets left. 


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  • guitars4youguitars4you Frets: 14036
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    OK... England and runs. We haven't scored 500 in an innings since August 2017. 

    Since then and not including this series, we have had 43 English innings, scoring 11,617 runs with 404 wickets down. 

    That's 28.75 runs per wicket. 

    That's 270.16 runs per innings. 

    Australia in that same time period has had 35 innings, scoring 9,508 runs with 297 wickets down. 

    That's 32.01 per wicket. 

    That's 271.66 runs per innings. Looks fairly fair, yes? 

    You then have to consider that in that time period Australia played a total of 19 Tests. 6 of them were without Smith and Warner, their best two batsmen. Imagine what England's average would have been like above if Root and whomever our second best batsman was in that time were unavailable for nearly of a third of the Tests. 

    During this time period up to his ban, Smith played 10 Tests and scored 948 runs at 63.20

    In that same time period, Root played 22 Tests, 1396 runs at 35.79. 

    It really does reinterate how outstanding Smith is and how important he is to the team with the bat and how far Root has dropped off the last few years. 
    some good stats - With only 3 days until the final test can any changes be effective - Curran deserves a chance at least - But not sure any batting changes can be given enough time to be effective

    Is it a case of a few new players, or application ??
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  • In a summer of terrible umpiring decisions, Overton's overturned decision is the worst by quite a margin.  For the umpire to say there was no inside edge when the ball makes a huge deflection before overturning as it was outside the line. 

    Genuinely awful. 
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  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Frets: 13929
    edited September 2019
    Bowlers tiring, new ball due but if they can survive that it will be down to batting mistakes that cost England. I didn't think they would get to tea so well toughed out by England.

    Stay focussed, it could get tense, the 2 hours evening session will be a fraught and long one if they can hang in.

    Odds on the draw are down to 5/2

    England win is now 1000/1


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  • But often a stumping is from a spin bowler - The batsman might be over charging down the wicket to be be more aggressive' - He might be taking a stride forward to get to the pitch of the ball and 'fall off balance' - The ball is coming at him from different lengths, angles, spin, bounce, so the batsman is not facing a pre-set motion that is identical every delivery - As such he is not going through the same identical routine once the ball is heading towards him

    Also IMO Leach is still out of order and at fault for a no ball - I'm allowed a view point 

    Maybe it won't matter now, as the Ashes is probably staying with the Aussies - But one key moment can sometimes win/loose a match, or at least have a major impact at a key point of the match - Look at 'Gary' at the end of the 3rd Test and the 'failed' run-out - Not only did the no ball ensure Smith got around another 100 runs, it will have ensured the team ride of the back of that , batting alongside him, so maybe 170 extra runs for the team

    The batsman goes through a set routine as the bowler approaches. He then breaks that routine depending on the delivery he receives. No argument there. It's 

    it's different when bowling. You arrive at the top of your mark and you're thinking about this next delivery. You've bowled four immaculate corridor of uncertainty deliveries so what now? Slower ball, yorker, bouncer, trying to swing it, wobble seam, googly, flipper, etc... so the change could start with the way you grip the ball. If it's reversing, you might hide the ball more. But let's keep on the slow bowler front.  There are the variations as mentioned there and then the variations of pace and flight. A bowler could go more round arm or go as high as possible. No bowler can be perfectly accurate or repeat every delivery on the mark, thus meaning there are inconsistencies between each delivery: stride length, the amount of reach in the delivery stride, how he releases the ball with the fingers depending on the type of delivery he is trying to bowl.

    Here's one for you: wind. It's been rather blustery at Old Trafford. If Leach is bowling into a 20mph wind for five deliveries and then the wind drops during the sixth delivery as he comes in, it could throw him off. Witness Junaid Khan a couple of years ago going against the famous Fremantle Doctor. 

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1309647

    It's a damn sight easier to have a pre-delivery pickup routine as a batsman than it is for a bowler. This is why we don't see bowlers going through the sort of lengthy preamble that Jon Trott used to do!  imagine a slow bowler with the sort of jiggles and wiggles Sandpaper Smith has...



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  • 4 wickets 1 session to go. Good cricket


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  • 2 wickets in that session , just rinse and repeat twice  =)
    Halfway there. Come on fellas you can do it. 
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  • sixstringsuppliessixstringsupplies Frets: 429
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    i Have a feeling the Aussies will rattle 4 wickets in the next hour. A decent effort by England but not enough. 

    So fellow cricket fans, assuming England fail to win the ashes, and Joe Root resigns (I think he should, he looks cooked) who would you make captain?

    its tough, as there really isn’t anyone else. I’d go for Burns personally.

    opening the batting in England is very hard and made even harder due to this insane Aussie bowling attack. Not to mention no opener played well on either side last summer against India until Alistair Cook made hay  in his last test match. 

    He he has shown he has the ability to make runs against this attack and stick it out...he’s the only player in this team who has captaincy experience. 

    Its controversial, but there is nobody else. Root has to go as captain. And can’t wait for Baylis to go. (Is Jason Gillespie the next England coach?) 


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  • From TMS text: 

    Wesley Young: Hate to be negative but if England don’t up the scoring rate here this game is going to end up a draw.

     =) 


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  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Frets: 13929
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    i Have a feeling the Aussies will rattle 4 wickets in the next hour. A decent effort by England but not enough. 

    So fellow cricket fans, assuming England fail to win the ashes, and Joe Root resigns (I think he should, he looks cooked) who would you make captain?

    its tough, as there really isn’t anyone else. I’d go for Burns personally.

    opening the batting in England is very hard and made even harder due to this insane Aussie bowling attack. Not to mention no opener played well on either side last summer against India until Alistair Cook made hay  in his last test match. 

    He he has shown he has the ability to make runs against this attack and stick it out...he’s the only player in this team who has captaincy experience. 

    Its controversial, but there is nobody else. Root has to go as captain. And can’t wait for Baylis to go. (Is Jason Gillespie the next England coach?) 


    Root won't resign, he'll take 6 weeks off then head to New Zealand then South Africa for the winter as Test captain. Who wants to resign on a low, tough it out and try and end on a high. I'm not sure he'll be captain for the next Ashes series though.

    Bayliss has already confirmed he is stepping down down after the Ashes.


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  • My heart sinks every LBW shout


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  • scrumhalfscrumhalf Frets: 11262
    Crap, Buttler's gone. 
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  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Frets: 13929
    edited September 2019
    Buttler gone on his 111th ball. Nelson strikes!

    I don't think Jofra has the patience and temperament for this, or Broad.


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  • Why on earth didn't he try to even play a shot? 
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  • Why on earth didn't he try to even play a shot? 
    The field was set up for a short ball, he fell for it.


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