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vizviz Frets: 10645
Is it in D or G, and why?
Roland said: Scales are primarily a tool for categorising knowledge, not a rule for what can or cannot be played.
Supportact said: [my style is] probably more an accumulation of limitations and bad habits than a 'style'.
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  • vizviz Frets: 10645
    edited June 2015
    Not sure of the reasoning "you can't have a song in mixolydian" - how about the blues? Though I see there's no flat 7 in the d chord so I think it's irrelevant anyway. I think it's in D because although every bar ends on G, you can tell that it's wanting to finalise on D. If it didn't fade out you'd finish it on a D surely.

    Edit - though I see Lynyrd Skynyrd don't - they actually focus all efforts towards the G throughout the 2nd half, there are no cues towards the D, and they actually even end on the G!
    Roland said: Scales are primarily a tool for categorising knowledge, not a rule for what can or cannot be played.
    Supportact said: [my style is] probably more an accumulation of limitations and bad habits than a 'style'.
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  • RolandRoland Frets: 8590
    G, because that's what it resolves to. The "non scale" notes, whichever you choose them to be, are what makes it interesting
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  • stickyfiddlestickyfiddle Frets: 26753
    edited May 2015
    I should note, the view stated in my last post is purely Google's, and not my own, because I don't care :p

    Although, if I have to have an opinion, it's in G, which is the same notes as D mixolydian, but mixolydian isn't a key, it's a scale. 
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  • Oh shitting hell not this again. Its in D.
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  • HAL9000HAL9000 Frets: 9551
    edited May 2015
    I'd say D. Don't worry about it though. Just thump it out and enjoy.
    I play guitar because I enjoy it rather than because I’m any good at it
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  • vizviz Frets: 10645
    Lol shreddery :D
    Roland said: Scales are primarily a tool for categorising knowledge, not a rule for what can or cannot be played.
    Supportact said: [my style is] probably more an accumulation of limitations and bad habits than a 'style'.
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  • Danny1969Danny1969 Frets: 10357
    It's in G same as Hey joe is in E

    Forget all the thoery it's simply what it always wants to resolve to .... That's the Key
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  • vizviz Frets: 10645

    But that's exactly the point - some people feel it wants to resolve to D. Because it seems unnatural to finish the song on the G - like it's still unresolved and is hankering for a final D chord.

    Roland said: Scales are primarily a tool for categorising knowledge, not a rule for what can or cannot be played.
    Supportact said: [my style is] probably more an accumulation of limitations and bad habits than a 'style'.
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  • vizviz Frets: 10645
    But here's another one of them doing it live, and again they finalise onto the G. In fact, the way they play it, it is resoundingly pointing to the G every bar near the end. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZOozDHL0LA
    Roland said: Scales are primarily a tool for categorising knowledge, not a rule for what can or cannot be played.
    Supportact said: [my style is] probably more an accumulation of limitations and bad habits than a 'style'.
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  • Danny1969Danny1969 Frets: 10357
    viz said:

    But that's exactly the point - some people feel it wants to resolve to D. Because it seems unnatural to finish the song on the G - like it's still unresolved and is hankering for a final D chord.

    Yeah they do but to me it's always settling on G ...... like G's the earth and  the song takes off,  has a fly around to D and C then lands back on earth which is G in my head but I spose other people think of the D as being earth based because that was the first chord played. 

    Played it last night and finished on the D which isn't my idea and sounds wrong to me but hey ho
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  • mike_lmike_l Frets: 5700

    Isn't there a story about their producer (whilst trying to get the solos done) saying "play it in D not G" or something?

     

    I'd got with G myself, as everything comes back to G.

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  • koneguitaristkoneguitarist Frets: 4125
    Although I say it's in G, we finish it on a D!
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  • HAL9000HAL9000 Frets: 9551
    edited November 2017
    OK, if you were soloing over the SHA chord sequence, which scale would you use? Without actually trying it I'm pretty sure I'd use a mixture of D minor and D major pentatonics.

    To my mind it's a bit like Cream's Tales Of Brave Ulysses - the main sequence here is D : C : G/B bass : Bb : Clapton plays the guitar solo using pretty much the D minor and major pentatonics
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  • MajorscaleMajorscale Frets: 1553
    I solo over it in G major when improvising although I tend to play the solos note for note so I'm not thinking of scale shapes taking that route.
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  • RolandRoland Frets: 8590
    HAL9000 said:
    OK, if you were soloing over the SHA chord sequence, which scale would you use? 
    Does the difficulty here lie in trying to force it into scalar thinking? One of the riffs includes both the F and the F# notes over the D chord, followed by Eb and E over C
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  • HAL9000HAL9000 Frets: 9551
    edited May 2015
    Yes but the F and the Eb are just chromatic links to the F# and the E so don't really count when you're thinking about scales.
    I play guitar because I enjoy it rather than because I’m any good at it
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  • matt1973matt1973 Frets: 385
    D mixolydian.
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  • Danny1969Danny1969 Frets: 10357

    The Gm pent will work if a few grace notes take a nod to the D and C when they occur,  which is pretty much what I do 
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  • RoxRox Frets: 2147
    Guitar theory really goes over my head... but what I can't figure out is... why does it matter?  (It's an honest question)


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