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I quite liked the cosm pedals (boss stack and there was the dyna drive too). But they had a pretty strong stamp on the sound. The newer boss digital stuff (such as the d1x, da-2 etc) is really good. Not sure if that's a new generation cosm tech or something entirely new.
I think they should drop the COSM badge, it's associated with their earlier efforts and to be fair much of their stuff is probably better nowadays.
My experience of COSM is limited to the GT-8 and GT-10 and Roland Cube amps. I remember the GT modelling sounding very honky and nasal and just not nice and natural sounding like a real amp. Although I preferred the GT-8. I did like the Cube 60 I had and I felt like some of the sounds out of that were really good. Although, other people said it sounded harsh. I also had a Cube 80 later on but didn't like that as much.
I'm not a big fan of Boss stuff generally. I know they are iconic and everything but I've rarely failed to be disappointed by their stompboxes. Just don't like the sounds.
None of those units were anywhere near my Helix LT.
Methinks you're right.....in forum land COSM has a bad rap...but in Kerrrchingg land which is what Boss ultimately care about it still sells. COSM now ie GT-100 engine is not the same as GT-6 engine - but y'know mud sticks and I still think a new name (emperors new clothes n all that) would fool a lot of naysayers into a new view/opinion. But then there's always going to be 15yr old bedroom rockers who have never even tried a certain piece of gear that will have a line 6 summat and be fanbois and spead mud on any rival brands product in the same market price/range.
My brother has a BOSS GT-100. I managed to program up a few Belew type abstract textures but the straight ahead guitar sounds are never as satisfying as plugging directly into a small Fender valve amplifier. For me, something about A/D and D/A conversion saps the life out of everything.
Is the Boss MS-3 COSM? - could well be I guess, but recently got one of those - sounds good to me. I do notice that there's no mention of COSM on the unit or box, so maybe the company is downplaying it these days.
It's getting much closer nowadays. I don't think it is anything to do with the conversion, high quality, high headroom converters should sap nothing measurable out of a signal and considering most people use some digital pedals, it is a moot point most of the time anyway. I too like a good Fender valve amplifier, but most of the time I'm now using a Helix LT into the front of it. The amp modelling is much better that the early days, but I don't use it too much, but one thing that has struck me with the latest generation is the overdrive models, which are now excellent - up until recently this was not the case.
Re the amp modelling, I've nothing against it and do use it for bits of recording and practise, it's just what I have works so I'm sticking with amps.
In 20 years time everyone will be modelling the modellers!
To be honest, I haven't come across many that rave over COSM so I'm not sure of the marketing benefit of it. IMO, they should drop the moniker and just let each product stand on it's own merit. That way, if they produce a unit that no-one likes, the rest of the range doesn't get tarred with the same brush. Of course, if everyone goes gaga for it, slap the moniker on everything!
I've also had both a Cube 60 and 80XL and thought both were really good all-rounders but have never really liked the amp model sounds of the floor units. Fx wise, no issues.
but generally I found COSM stamped too much of its own thing on the sound, esp. with distortion and drive pedals. The new Multi Dimensional Processing is much better imo. It still has an identifiable sound but much superior to COSM.