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So even if there's only a few % in it for tone and or feel, it's enough for him to prefer sticking with the valve amp for performance.
Whereas someone like me is basically playing backing chords for a singer, so I can take a more pragmatic approach to gear where multiple ways of doing things would be good enough for me to be happy.
Yes they care. They just can't articulate it the same way us nobbers can.
They don't care if you use a Tubescreamer vs an SD1 but they do care if you sound good or not.
Oh no they don't I've proved this to myself playing live week in and week out. As long as you don't sound awful they couldn't care less. We all like our guitars to sound good but above a fairly modest quality we're doing it for ourselves not the audience. Unless your audience consists entirely of guitarists in which case your band has way bigger problems that your guitar tone LOL
The simple fact is the sounds and dynamics do matter varying amounts by genre. As noted - Drew's playing the kind of music where it matters more than some other genres.
For an extreme example look at drums. If it really didn't matter every drummer playing through a PA would be using an E-Kit, but the majority don't, real drums just sound and play better and by quite a margin vs cheaper E-Kits.
For me, I can't get the sounds I want from modelling. I have tried. So I stick with my valve amps and a 4x12 cab.
All of my effects are digital. If I am happy with my sound, I will play better. Thus giving the audience a better experience.
The reason I am really hyped about my Helix is because nothing else before has allowed me to go over to a 'snapshots' way of thinking. I was always a tap-dancer, and it always pissed me off. The Helix though has changed all that, and I would find it quite difficult to go back to a simple set of stomps again.
Saying that, I spent most of the day today playing with my DD500 and Timeline delays. I think I could get through a gig with just those two at a push!!
So the point of having a box that does that one sound and a thousand others vs a box that does that one sound only, is moot.
I like my Rack and 4x12 with pedalboard, not because I'm a relic of a bygone era, but because it delivers the tones I want, with the feel I like.
I dont record at home, I don't gig in function environments where onstage volume is an issue.
But my OP was more regarding products such as Helix and Katana, where digital seems to be hitting the 'break-even' point.
Digital has always had the upper hand in regard to flexibility and routing, hell I've been trying to get a traditional set up to switch like my old Line6 Flextone of nearly 20 years ago.
I'm just curious about whether we have reached to point where it's no longer about Digital Vs Valve.
I can't buy into the idea that subtleties can't be achieved with digital gear. I've searched for years to get the tone in my head, I got there in the end and sold it all because I was able to recreate it with the Axe FX, subtleties included - but that's my stuff I guess. But that's my use case, I'll take your word for it and would absolutely love to hear @Drew_TNBD's style of music and live experience.
However, @guitarfishbay makes a good analogy with e-drums. I think a lot of that is partly down to the physical feedback an acoustic drum gives you, the bounce back of the sticks, and how it, in turn, makes you play.
View my feedback at www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/comment/1201922
I'm not a fanatic. Just use what gets me where I wanna get.
The only experience I've got of the Axe FX in a live situation is when I've watched bands play with them. I go to a few gigs, if that means anything. A few of my favourite bands have gone 100% all in, and they sound just as good, if not better, than they did, to my ears.
I wouldn't dream of singling you or anyone else out as a fanatic, just saying that there are plenty of us out there willing to have conversations like this - I include myself in that. A fanatic is probably the wrong term, no offence intended.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that you're wrong either. From my personal experience and how I've managed to get pretty much 99.9% of my personal tone quests with digital, I struggle to get my head around why others may choose to use amps if they're experienced digital in the same way I have.
That makes me sound like a complete dick and sorry about that. I remember how frustrated I used to get when people told me digital did everything and all I liked at the time was my tube amp, so in some small way, I know how annoying my statements will come across.
View my feedback at www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/comment/1201922
View my feedback at www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/comment/1201922
I'm not sure that's exactly the same thing. I think a better analogy for that would be the difference between playing a real acoustic and using an electric with an acoustic simulator.
I almost got a Code 50 instead of my Mini Jubilee - to me the tones in the code are awesome and I like digital flexibility but at practice the real deal just sounded and felt better. The code felt pretty directional as well which I didn't like. Most modellers have too many options for me to get my head around so the simpler ones like the code, yamaha etc are way more appealing. I've always been a single channel amp player using guitar volume to control the gain, until recently this wrote modellers off for me as the dynamics left a lot to be desired. I'd still like to try out a THR100 some time.