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Ideally you want to find two of the 'Vintage Black Shadow' 10s that Mesa put in the Subway Rocket amps .
I'm not really joking - these have no top-end at all, they're all mid and lower mid, which I find makes them very dark and boxy in the Mesa amps, but they may well be ideal for this. You will need to change both or you'll just hear the top-end from the remaining speaker.
If not one of those, I would look at one of the many Eminence models - Eminence made these speakers for Mesa, and I find most of the other models on the darker side rather than clear - or Celestion G10 Vintage which have a similar all-mid sound. None of the other models, they're all brighter.
Or you could try bass speakers - Celestion do a 200W 10" that's really quite dark for a 10, for example.
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Eminence lil' Buddy's are supposed to be smooth and have hemp cones, like the C Rex, which sound great taming the top end of Deluxe Reverbs. Worth a look.
Forgot to mention that Ill look into those speakers you suggested!
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
I’ve read that in a couple of places including reference to it on here by @Heartfeltdawn
Also wondering if Id be hetter off with a 20 to 40 watt speaker for this amp?
4-ohm guitar speakers are not common, other than for specialist applications like this - it's usually easier to find bass or PA ones, but even they may not be too common in 10".
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
For some time, I ran all of my pedals into the Power Amp section of a couple of JC-120 amps. I loved it! Yes I lost the chorus and reverb but it gave me a big sounding non-shrill non-horrible platform for all sorts. I stuck all the overdrive pedals into a Diamond compressor which then fed all the reverb and delay pedals into a stereo pair of JC-120 amps (and of course with two Power Amp inputs I could also run in stereo with just the one amp. I did use splitters running in stereo with two and it was glorious).
With regard to speakers, lots of recommendations will come in for stuff like the Cannabis Rex. Personally I don't like high efficiency speakers and most of the Eminence ones are like this. They're a bit in your face for my delicate sensitive bedwetting ears. Have a go with the Jensen MOD 10-70. Not too efficient, will take some cranking up, and the highs are rolled off. The MOD 12-70 is something I had in a speaker cabinet (2x12) and they sounded really good with the JC-120 amps. Denis Cornell has used the MOD in the Romany amps for ages and it's those which got me into these speakers. Never had any time for the reissue alnico Jensens but the Mod series have been under the radar for ages and always worked out for me. They're not too expensive either, about £45 from Hotrox for the 10-70.
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
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The Eminence ones are the lightest, which is one reason why the old Studio .22 model is that rare thing, a Mesa which actually seems light for its size.
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
Also I found a few speakers by weber that I may try down the road. They are the 10F150H and the DT10. Both can be built at 4ohm and about 30 to 35 Watt each. Both are also made to smooth out the highs and the dt10 are made to compress nicely. They are kinda pricey tho so Id have to try one at a time or grab them used or on sale.
I like the price on the Jensen 10-70 but wondering if 2 70WATT 8ohm speakers would be to much for my 40 watt amp. That has 2 20 WATT speakers rated at 4ohms
Bear in mind that most of the time, you'll be using the amp well below full power - and volume controls are usually logarithmic, so when the control is halfway up, the amp will only be producing a tenth of its power (roughly - it's not usually quite that simple, but it will do for illustration!). If it sounds fine driving a 20W speaker with 2 watts, it will sound fine driving a 70W speaker with 7 watts… and the amp still won't be full up.
This is a common misconception among guitarists, that you need to 'push' the speakers. It is true that speakers go into thermal compression when they get near their power rating (usually above about 2/3 of the rating), but if anything that may be part of what you *don't* like about the high-volume sound. Actual overdriven speakers usually sound horrible, not what most people think they sound like at all.
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
@Jgar noisy space rock back then! I had a variety of stuff: two JC-120s going at battle, later on a triple amp setup with a Matamp in the middle for overdrive and then two Bandits either side for clean delays... oh, and two enormous stereo pedalboards to switch about. Sigh. Back in the mental gear days...
Definitely get rid of buffers! Loads of solid state amps sound better if you do the opposite to convention. And don't worry about using 80 watt speakers. As ICBM says, speaker breakup is mostly shit. Rely on pedals for that.
I found a used Weber 10f150 25 Watt 4 ohm online for a good price and pulled the trigger. Wow am I happy with it. It is louder than the stock speaker and also fills the room a lot better and smooths out the high end a good amount. Ive decided to order the Weber 10F150H for the other side as I think it will do the trick on smoothing out the high end especially for higher volumes. The 10F150 takes pedals really nicely. I can hear more details from the my guitar and pedals though the speaker. The Weber speaker is heavier and the magnet is much bigger than the stock but sounds a lot fuller and clear.