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This isn't true for the social sciences. And... well.... you can see how that is working out....
We are sitting on the shoulders of scientific giants who cared about finding the truth in an empirical way. There are plenty of people trying to undo that by injecting feelings where they don't belong.
Feelings belong in the realm of shagging the wife once the kids are in bed. They belong in the realm of watching a movie and holding back the tears coz it's really upsetting when the dog dies.
Feelings don't belong in an academic discussion. The empirical evidence is that feelings confuse the pursuit of truth, and make it much more difficult to find out what the reality before us actually is. But I remember now - you don't much care for empiricism, based on our past discussions.
And I don't think El Jonbot's comment was particularly useful nor educational. Some people disagree on what we should be eating as a species. Big fucking whoop.
One of the key difficulties in comparing the health impacts of meat/non meat diets is that it is hard to standardise the constituent parts of each cohort's diet. A vegetarian could eat mainly fatty crappy food and the meat eater could be eating a well balanced frugal and fresh diet. Or vice versa etc etc. To be definitive, you'd need to even out and standardise the diets and also the baseline weight and health of everyone. What you should aim for is having a big study sample where the only variable of any significance is whether they have meat in the diet, or not. Everything else needs to be the same.
too much fluff in this study for me.
On the other point, IMO eating meat isn't cruel, it's natural. We are omnivores. What is cruel is how some meat is farmed and produced. Lots of people aren't bothered by that. I am, so I choose not to eat animals. I don't expect anyone to have my views, but I do think my view is correct, hence my choice. I wouldn't force that on anyone else, but equally I don't expect to be interrogated on why I make my choices.
I'm also not anti abortion.
There.
My 22 stone mate with a "vegan 4 life" tattoo lives on oven chips.
I thought he was exaggerating, but no, he has boxes of them for almost every meal, at least twice a day.
A wild prey animal lives according to its instincts, roams, forages, mates, has offspring and gets eaten or dies of illness or old age. That is a life in keeping with its design and nature.
Sheep often escape this fate depending where the meat comes from
But.. the pigs, chickens (and cows for milk production) you eat are stripped of this dignity to engage in the play of natural life. They are bred and kept on concrete in warehouses, caged, artificially inseminated and deprived of their basic need of the herd, their babies, fresh air, sunshine and the instinct to roam and live according to their nature. As pigs are generally considered 4th smartest in the animal kingdom and very sensitive this is especially cruel where they are concerned.
It has also repeatedly been shown that the vast majority of "certified" (red tractor bullshit) meat producers regularly fail basic welfare tests. So unless you bought what you eat from a small holding you have direct experience of, you are participating in exploitation of some part by eating meat, dairy or using leather products, you just can't see it. And that's why it persists.
As a contrast to that I am not opposed to eating meat on principle, more on the grounds of the life accorded to the animal in question and the environmental impact.
FWIW, I agree with @Snap on this; the study indicates a valuable area for further research, but there’s far too many uncontrolled confounding factors to regard it as conclusive evidence. Needs to be tightened up.
For the anecdotal evidence, I have a single vegan on my team in work. She’s young, slim, controls her diet properly and works out regularly. She takes more sick days than anyone else in the department.
Now, n=1 is not a very convincing statistical set, but it’s always given me a degree of skepticism towards the vegan=healthy argument.
I'm not anti-meat eating, but I am anti-meat farming in many ways and try to make careful decisions.
Anti-meat propaganda has nothing to do with this decision.
One thing any vegan or vegetarian needs to be mindful of is getting your full range of nutrients in. B12 is a key one and if that's low you can get on your way to anaemia.
Vegan, veggie, paleo aside, IMO as a society we have a broad food problem in that too many of us don't understand enough about what to eat, where it comes from etc. If we did, we wouldn't have the fattest population in Europe and we wouldn't be in the situation where so many kids are obese or overweight. That's a big failing, and making kids fat is not only cruel, it's neglectful.
Jesus, Monday morning and I'm borderline ranting already!! Soz, this subject is a pet high horse of mine.