School me on Gibraltar

Rocker

TBH I had forgotten it even exists. Strange that the UK prime minister forgot to mention it in her Article 50 letter. So feel free to teach me all about what I always thought was a rock...

octatonic

They make some of the most cost effective drum hardware on the market.
DW bought them a few years ago.

Fretwired

May didn't need to mention them ... the EU has actually pulled a fast one on Spain .. :-)

Ravenous

One of the best telescope mounts on the market!  Always fancied one for myself.

https://www.widescreen-centre.co.uk/astronomy-mounts-and-tripods/alt-azimuth-mounts/tele-vue-gibraltar-hd4-mount

octatonic

3rd best rock after "Brighton" and "Let There Be".

Sambostar

It's the bridge.

not_the_dj

The best thing I done
Was to make you the one
Who I'd walk with down to the altar

You'd stand by me 
And together we'd be
That great, steady Rock of Gibralta

jellyroll

Must be pretty annoying for the Spanish. It'd be like Germany owning Bournemouth.

VimFuego

jellyroll said:

Must be pretty annoying for the Spanish. It'd be like Germany owning Bournemouth.

mebbe, assuming something like 90% of the population of bournemouth wanted to be governed by Germany.

snakemanStoo

jellyroll said:

Must be pretty annoying for the Spanish. It'd be like Germany owning Bournemouth.

Or Spain owning bits of Morocco.

octatonic

jellyroll said:

Must be pretty annoying for the Spanish. It'd be like Germany owning Bournemouth.

They'd sort out the traffic problem at least.

jellyroll

octatonic said:

jellyroll said:

Must be pretty annoying for the Spanish. It'd be like Germany owning Bournemouth.

They'd sort out the traffic problem at least.

Autobahn-mouth?

AliGorie

Empire 2 strikes back -
We're soooo stuck in the past -
yawn

VimFuego

AliGorie said:

Empire 2 strikes back -
We're soooo stuck in the past -
yawn

?

jellyroll

AliGorie said:

Empire 2 strikes back -
We're soooo stuck in the past -
yawn

Agree with the sentiment but not sure Gibraltar is an Empire 2.0 question is it? We have an irrefutable mandate to the place so as long as the resident are happy to stay Britsh, what's the Empire issue?

ICBM

jellyroll said:

Agree with the sentiment but not sure Gibraltar is an Empire 2.0 question is it? We have an irrefutable mandate to the place so as long as the resident are happy to stay Britsh, what's the Empire issue?

I don't recall the six and a half million inhabitants of Hong Kong being given that option.

And we did own Hong Kong Island and Kowloon outright, by treaty just as with Gibraltar - it was only the New Territories that were leased.

VimFuego

ICBM said:

jellyroll said:

Agree with the sentiment but not sure Gibraltar is an Empire 2.0 question is it? We have an irrefutable mandate to the place so as long as the resident are happy to stay Britsh, what's the Empire issue?

I don't recall the six and a half million inhabitants of Hong Kong being given that option.

And we did own Hong Kong Island and Kowloon outright, by treaty just as with Gibraltar - it was only the New Territories that were leased.

they (the HK pop) didn't get that choice, tho IMO they clearly should've. Hopefully we've learnt from that injustice and don't repeat it in Gib.

Fretwired

ICBM said:

jellyroll said:

Agree with the sentiment but not sure Gibraltar is an Empire 2.0 question is it? We have an irrefutable mandate to the place so as long as the resident are happy to stay Britsh, what's the Empire issue?

I don't recall the six and a half million inhabitants of Hong Kong being given that option.

And we did own Hong Kong Island and Kowloon outright, by treaty just as with Gibraltar - it was only the New Territories that were leased.

The Chinese would have taken it by force and there would have been bugger all we could have done about it.

I'd have more respect for the Spanish if they gave up their land in north African. Small chance. A bunch of hypocrites.

guitars4you

ICBM said:

jellyroll said:

Agree with the sentiment but not sure Gibraltar is an Empire 2.0 question is it? We have an irrefutable mandate to the place so as long as the resident are happy to stay Britsh, what's the Empire issue?

I don't recall the six and a half million inhabitants of Hong Kong being given that option.

And we did own Hong Kong Island and Kowloon outright, by treaty just as with Gibraltar - it was only the New Territories that were leased.

I've not looked into how we acquired Gibraltar so will do so later - But I'll make a good guess as to how - Honk Kong we effectively acquired it not as a gift, but as a form of negotiation, under our terms, following the Opium wars with China and a case of we had a superior Navy and guns

I guess for many years, certainly around the days of Nelson, that Gibraltar was an important naval port and as such of great strategic  importance - I'm not so sure we could justify that today - Yes we transplanted a few Brits there and they fly the UJ flag - But I find it hard to justify it as ours - what if Spain owned the Isle of White - Or indeed many of the fishing rights around Cornwall !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TheBlueWolf

A great way to invoke the British Bulldog spirit.*


From pisshead English football fans, who then rant incoherently about two world wars, before punching you and going for a kebab.

VimFuego

guitars4you said:

ICBM said:

jellyroll said:

Agree with the sentiment but not sure Gibraltar is an Empire 2.0 question is it? We have an irrefutable mandate to the place so as long as the resident are happy to stay Britsh, what's the Empire issue?

I don't recall the six and a half million inhabitants of Hong Kong being given that option.

And we did own Hong Kong Island and Kowloon outright, by treaty just as with Gibraltar - it was only the New Territories that were leased.

I've not looked into how we acquired Gibraltar so will do so later - But I'll make a good guess as to how - Honk Kong we effectively acquired it not as a gift, but as a form of negotiation, under our terms, following the Opium wars with China and a case of we had a superior Navy and guns

I guess for many years, certainly around the days of Nelson, that Gibraltar was an important naval port and as such of great strategic  importance - I'm not so sure we could justify that today - Yes we transplanted a few Brits there and they fly the UJ flag - But I find it hard to justify it as ours - what if Spain owned the Isle of White - Or indeed many of the fishing rights around Cornwall !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so which of the population of gib will you be forcibly removing?

EDIT: surely the only peoples opinions that matter in this are those who live there. How it came iinto UK "ownership" is irrelevent, it was a long time ago and no one alive now was born then. It's the here and now that is important. People are more important than politics.