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Understand that my real estate thing is qualification and not skill, quite right. But I don't really believe I have sufficient normal skills to do anything well so have to rely on pieces of paper. The usual skills such as organisation, people skills and communication, prioritisation, focus etc I can't honestly claim apply to me.
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Perhaps start by brainstorming a list of areas of potential interest, things you might have a vague interest in or think might be interesting. Then think of a few related jobs / careers for each. Then find a way to go try them all through voluntary work, social groups, paid work etc. The jobs you brainstorm don't have to be "the one", think of them as the starting point on a pathway that might eventually take you somewhere else.
BUT - In my day was a central Library that had Business directories. When I wanted to match my skills to get into PR, I went to a PR Directory at the Business Library at London Wall and looked at the client rostas. I could then tailor my approach and offer the 'lucky' agency the advantage of employing someone who had XYZ hands-on with their clients' actual products in the field.
I nailed a job first interview and doubled my salary at a fell stroke! Changing or 'navigating' my career like this ultimately paid off my mortgage and allowed me to retire very early so I could come and sit here all day and play the odd bit of guitar! Knowledge is power!
Absolutely. But I'm not making the same mistake twice - if I'm going back for a conversion or a development course, I want to know it's something I enjoy.
There is an IT conversion at anglia ruskin which is local to me. It's something to consider but IT is such a vast subject I'd at least want to know *what sort* of IT I'd like to do. So I am going to learn some coding in my spare time (I've been learning some Spanish recently, but this week I'm finally starting the coding course) and see if there is a particular part of IT that interests me. On the face of it, I really fancy robotics with a view to getting into medical technology - from surgical robots through to prosthetics.
However, that's a *massive* shift for me, and I'd like to learn more in my spare time - I can see if I can build things at home, as a hobby, and if I really enjoy it look into an IT conversion to get more skills to get into the industry.
The current target for me is actually scientific communication, so I'm applying for academic publishers. It is something I think I'll really enjoy, and make a real difference while allowing me the time to learn more about IT, robotics etc in my spare time.
I know that sounds a right flustercluck, but to be honest there are a few people on this here forum (yourself included) who have given me a lot of inspiration in the last year or so. Ultimately, I know I can't take a linear, direct route to what I want but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy the journey anyway.
For IT its hard o go wrong with computer science - some of everything normally (masters might end up more specialised down one path or another but it's still a generalised subject)
As for academic publishing - PhD would be a great way to do that full time for a while...
It's getting in though - conversion courses (like the anglia ruskin IT) allow you to enter from other subjects, provided you can demonstrate some experience, but more specialised masters generally require a previous degree in a related subject, but may consider extensive in-industry experience.
So I need that experience first. But that's okay, journey before destination etc.
I've sent off a few more applications for jobs within publishing, so I'll report back. Fingers crossed!
- Try and get some counselling or advice as to why you are really unhappy - what is it that you really want? Are there any other things that you could change first? Is a completely new vocation really what's needed?
- For more vocational work in IT, short courses can be as effective as a degree (stuff like General Assembly). Seems to be working particularly well for UX development at the moment. That might not be the part of IT you want to end up in but it could be a stepping stone.
- Smaller firms can be a good way to get in as they can be more flexible on their requirements. This is a particularly good route if you're confident to get stuck in and learn on the job.
- If you know lots of stuff about real estate and want to get into tech, you might be able to get in via being a business or support analyst for a software, tech or consulting firm.
- If money is a worry for you right now I'd think twice about going down the degree route given the fees. If you find a vocational start in something and decide you like it, then you can take the plunge or maybe even get an employer to sponsor or salary sacrifice your fees for a degree course later.
- Career change can be hard work for both you and your family. Make sure they're onboard with it. *Really* onboard with it and not just saying they are because they don't want to hurt you.
- You're going to get rejected and knocked back at many steps of the journey. Some people will even do it in a cruel and shitty way. You need to embrace the rejection though, because if you're not experiencing it you're probably not trying hard enough or knocking on enough doors.
- Can you find a coach or mentor who is outside of your normal crowd of people? I have found many of my friends and family tried to offer "helpful" advice that was more around trying to resist change. An independent view can help you work out when they might have a point and when you need to ignore them and keep fighting/learning.
- I'm not good at this but I'll say it anyway: try and keep doing some exercise even though things are demanding. Otherwise it's easy to get into stress/depression/can't sleep cycles.
Good luck, and I'd love to hear if anyone thinks I'm talking bollo on any of this!If you want to be a developer at some point then make sure that whatever degree you do is hardcore about getting you to write a shitload of code.
I've seen so many people with IT/games/comp sci qualifications who fundamentally can't write code which is really the only skill anyone in industry actually cares about.
We we could have a discussion about the semantics of goals. To me a goal is something you choose to work towards because it promotes your values ... but it's unquantified. Objectives are quantified, and you know when you've got there.
So a typical value would be that it's important to have an understanding of what it's like to live in other countries. A goal would be to learn what life if like by travelling to and staying in those countries. An objective would be to live and work in China.
Some people find it easier to define goals than express their values.
I'm at my heaviest weight in a long time at 20st and I'm 33 and don't have a degree so feel like I'm in a complete cul-de-sac. I don't feel like I have the money to see a life coach/career guide.
Sorry if I'm hi-jacking your thread but I've been reading this eagerly as I've been confiding in my mum for months over this and she's at her wits end with it all so it feels good to get some of it off my chest.
Wishing you best of luck though mate, hope you can work it all out
Do you find property interesting , is that why you went into letting ? Could you look at retraining into another field in property if so ?
if you would rather be your own boss maybe you could do a part time general building course and look into doing up properties and selling them on ?
@arktik83 maybe we should job swap?
@drcornelius it's not property letting or estate agency or any of that, it's property management ie managing companies' property for them as an occupier, picking fights with landlords and generally doing all the landlord and tenant interaction for them. Therefore it's not really something I could set up on my own as you have to have pretty big portfolios to make any money. I went into it because I had no other options and it has spiralled from there really.
@grunfeld yes I think the values thing will be a good way to go. I don't sit very comfortable as a corporate type which has only got worse since we were took over, and that is part of the struggle albeit a small part. But I think yeah itd be wise for me to consider that more than skills in a way not least because I have some values and not many skills
I think one possible course of action could be to look into project management, as there would probably be plenty of roles that would benefit from property knowledge in that respect. I went for what sounded ideal last year but despite me having a great interview with great feedback in November, they still haven't got back to me about anything further. But something like that would be interesting, I do remember feeling quite up for that at the time it's just soured a bit since then because of their inability to do anything about recruiting the role. I'm a bit "flitty" in general so would probably benefit from working on a series of shorter term projects as they'd probably change more often and become less dull
A few people have mentioned IT to me bit that's based on their misconception that I'm any good at it, I'm not, I am competent at using it but never any good at fixing it or coming up with improvements for it. Unfortunately the only IT person i could ask works at my current place on helpdesk which isn't therefore the line of work I'd be suited to, not least because he's the only person there who works longer hours than I do!
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