Is it me, or are these Yamaha SG prices getting a bit silly?

HarrySeven

guitars4you said:

Sassafras said:

Bridgehouse said:

I wonder if there's money to be made in buying up cheap Yamaha SGs when possible and selling them on to him for his "stock" at an inflated price?

Sounds like he pounces on them as soon as they become available. He's obviously trying to corner the market in SGs and Marauders, strange as that market might be.

is he actively buying today ? - or are these part of an older acquisition and he is now dangling a carrot regarding pricing and hope customers bite ?

Well, you could always ask him directly...

http://thefretboard.co.uk/profile/7190/jaysgrocker2000

richardhomer

SteveRobinson said:

ICBM said: 

That assumes that any of his actually sell. Given that with a few exceptions they are not rare models, most buyers will just get another one from a seller who isn't trying to rip them off, and the price will stay where it is.

I had a customer bring in for setup an SG2000 he'd bought from this guy. I think he paid nearly £3K, told me he bought it from "a collector" 

Did he mention if the collector wore an eye mask, had a horse and pistol?

jeztone2

It's easy to buy a used Yamaha SG. Ishibashi will sell you a late 70's-80's one for £500-650 Ish. Add £100 for delivery, then 23% of that for Duty/VAT. The guitar will be landed legally for about £770-900. But usually the older ones come in a crappy gig bag. So your looking another £100 for a case. I've done it many times, the customer service is excellent. So his monopoly idea is flawed. Although I sold my 91 Ibanez RG760 to a speculative dealer on EBay who now wants £800 for it. 

I agree re: about the dynamics of the 2000. It's that plate under the bridge. I've only owned 700s or SG1000's. Which weight aside, are excellent guitars.  I did have a project that was a beaten up SG1300T. But I sold that on. 

But my middle brother lived in Edinburgh for 15 years. Whenever I visited, they were always loads of used SG's available. Often in mom & pop type music shops. They were very popular guitars north of the border. 

Sassafras

HarrySeven said:

guitars4you said:

Sassafras said:

Bridgehouse said:

I wonder if there's money to be made in buying up cheap Yamaha SGs when possible and selling them on to him for his "stock" at an inflated price?

Sounds like he pounces on them as soon as they become available. He's obviously trying to corner the market in SGs and Marauders, strange as that market might be.

is he actively buying today ? - or are these part of an older acquisition and he is now dangling a carrot regarding pricing and hope customers bite ?

Well, you could always ask him directly...

http://thefretboard.co.uk/profile/7190/jaysgrocker2000

He seems to be a valued member who's made a huge contribution to the classifieds section, not so much in other areas of the forum.

Bridgehouse

Sassafras said:

HarrySeven said:

guitars4you said:

Sassafras said:

Bridgehouse said:

I wonder if there's money to be made in buying up cheap Yamaha SGs when possible and selling them on to him for his "stock" at an inflated price?

Sounds like he pounces on them as soon as they become available. He's obviously trying to corner the market in SGs and Marauders, strange as that market might be.

is he actively buying today ? - or are these part of an older acquisition and he is now dangling a carrot regarding pricing and hope customers bite ?

Well, you could always ask him directly...

http://thefretboard.co.uk/profile/7190/jaysgrocker2000

He seems to be a valued member who's made a huge contribution to the classifieds section, not so much in other areas of the forum.

A not-identified dealer??

Grunfeld

HarrySeven said:

ICBM said:You'll have to fight @HarrySeven for them...

'Tis true...I do like Ovation Breadwinners, Deacons, etc...

I've got an Eastwood copy of Breadwinner and while the guitar is nice enough to play the mini-humbuckers are absolutely not able to make any sounds I like.
What I like most are the Stormy Mondays which I've got in a couple of guitars (V and a Sheraton) but they aren't going to fit in the Breadwinner.  And I keep wondering what mini-humbucker EMGs would sound like.

Any suggestions for what I could put in there?  It's a shame not to be gigging this guitar.

SteveRobinson

jeztone2 said:

But my middle brother lived in Edinburgh for 15 years. Whenever I visited, they were always loads of used SG's available. Often in mom & pop type music shops. They were very popular guitars north of the border. 

That'll be down to Stuart Adamson no doubt.

fandango

jeztone2 said:

It's easy to buy a used Yamaha SG. Ishibashi will sell you a late 70's-80's one for £500-650 Ish. Add £100 for delivery, then 23% of that for Duty/VAT. The guitar will be landed legally for about £770-900. But usually the older ones come in a crappy gig bag. So your looking another £100 for a case. I've done it many times, the customer service is excellent. So his monopoly idea is flawed. Although I sold my 91 Ibanez RG760 to a speculative dealer on EBay who now wants £800 for it. 

I agree re: about the dynamics of the 2000. It's that plate under the bridge. I've only owned 700s or SG1000's. Which weight aside, are excellent guitars.  I did have a project that was a beaten up SG1300T. But I sold that on. 

But my middle brother lived in Edinburgh for 15 years. Whenever I visited, they were always loads of used SG's available. Often in mom & pop type music shops. They were very popular guitars north of the border. 

Maybe the Scots are real men, and require something that has some substance. If a Scotsman needs a Yamaha SG, it probably means they've broken the Tele?

Sassafras

fandango said:

Maybe the Scots are real men, and require something that has some substance. If a Scotsman needs a Yamaha SG, it probably means they've broken the Tele?

The extra weight stops their kilts blowing around.

Eartrumpet

Bridgehouse said:

I wonder if there's money to be made in buying up cheap Yamaha SGs when possible and selling them on to him for his "stock" at an inflated price?

Could be an idea.....
"Jay" bought my SG1000N off me via ebay earlier this year. I sold to him for £725 and I was more than happy with that. He picked up on the ad very quickly, collected and paid with crisp £50 notes. Which was nice. I did not know he was a dealer, until he sent me  friend request on Faceache. Anyhoo he sold my old guitar for £1349, took about three weeks to sell. His to sell at that point so can't bleat .... however his prices do seem a little err enthusiastic

polotska

Just to echo what @jeztone2 wrote about Ishibashi Music—they’re a fine dealer and make international transactions as easy as can be. They call their used selection “U-Box,” and they maintain an English version here (though note that most items don’t include a description of condition; you usually need to submit an inquiry and wait a few days for a reply). I think they have a minimum order price of JP¥50,000, so most effects pedals won’t qualify (and in fact aren’t shown on the English version of U-Box), but otherwise they’ll ship anything they carry overseas.

Since they are willing to ship most anywhere, I think Ishibashi’s prices for things like 1970s–1980s Yamahas, Ibanezes, and Arias pretty much establish the going rates.

HarrySeven

Eartrumpet said:

Bridgehouse said:

I wonder if there's money to be made in buying up cheap Yamaha SGs when possible and selling them on to him for his "stock" at an inflated price?

Could be an idea.....
"Jay" bought my SG1000N off me via ebay earlier this year. I sold to him for £725 and I was more than happy with that. He picked up on the ad very quickly, collected and paid with crisp £50 notes. Which was nice. I did not know he was a dealer, until he sent me  friend request on Faceache. Anyhoo he sold my old guitar for £1349, took about three weeks to sell. His to sell at that point so can't bleat .... however his prices do seem a little err enthusiastic

£1349?!?!

FFS! How?!

Was that an actual, *real* sale?

impmann

polotska said:

Just to echo what @jeztone2 wrote about Ishibashi Music—they’re a fine dealer and make international transactions as easy as can be. They call their used selection “U-Box,” and they maintain an English version here (though note that most items don’t include a description of condition; you usually need to submit an inquiry and wait a few days for a reply). I think they have a minimum order price of JP¥50,000, so most effects pedals won’t qualify (and in fact aren’t shown on the English version of U-Box), but otherwise they’ll ship anything they carry overseas.

Since they are willing to ship most anywhere, I think Ishibashi’s prices for things like 1970s–1980s Yamahas, Ibanezes, and Arias pretty much establish the going rates.

I've bought from Ishibashi and they were superb.

I wonder if you can still do this in view of the CITES regulations though...

HarrySeven

Whilst on this topic, there are a number of sellers (dealers) on eBay, Gumtree, Facebook, etc (on here, too), whose modus operandi is very much about (quite blatant) flipping.

Without getting into the ethics of such practices (that's what dealers do, after all), there are a number of notable examples (who spring to mind) whose pricing is regularly on the 'deluded' side of optimistic...and the guitars/amps/whatever just keep on reappearing again and again. More guitars seem to be regularly added to their listings, but few ever seem to sell (because of the pricing, I guess). Seems an odd way to run (even a bedroom) business.

impmann

It's happening with Classic Cars too.

The unintelligent see a car advertised for £x and assume their car is worth £x (often x + y). This pushes perceptions of 'value' up. Sadly the reality is that some of the cars have been for sale for literally years and won't sell at the sums asked as they don't measure up. In reality a 'valuation' should be based on the prices realised for similar - not asking prices.

This works for a short time until the bottom falls out of the market. It happens a lot in the collecting field - usually when non enthusiasts get involved thinking they can earn a few bob.

guitars4you

impmann said:

It's happening with Classic Cars too.

The unintelligent see a car advertised for £x and assume their car is worth £x (often x + y). This pushes perceptions of 'value' up. Sadly the reality is that some of the cars have been for sale for literally years and won't sell at the sums asked as they don't measure up. In reality a 'valuation' should be based on the prices realised for similar - not asking prices.

This works for a short time until the bottom falls out of the market. It happens a lot in the collecting field - usually when non enthusiasts get involved thinking they can earn a few bob.

I agree - but what sometimes happens is if the owners of select guitars don't need to sell and are just speculating, then in reality prices won't come down - Instead such guitars are simply removed from the market place until a later date when price trends might have taken a different turn

Eartrumpet

HarrySeven said:

Eartrumpet said:

Bridgehouse said:

I wonder if there's money to be made in buying up cheap Yamaha SGs when possible and selling them on to him for his "stock" at an inflated price?

Could be an idea.....
"Jay" bought my SG1000N off me via ebay earlier this year. I sold to him for £725 and I was more than happy with that. He picked up on the ad very quickly, collected and paid with crisp £50 notes. Which was nice. I did not know he was a dealer, until he sent me  friend request on Faceache. Anyhoo he sold my old guitar for £1349, took about three weeks to sell. His to sell at that point so can't bleat .... however his prices do seem a little err enthusiastic

£1349?!?!

FFS! How?!

Was that an actual, *real* sale?

As far as i can tell, sold on ebay listing.....

Nitefly

I don't understand why people get so hung up about pricing.  

If someone lists a guitar at £1500, and you don't think it's worth that, offer £1300 or whatever - what's the worst that can happen?

I think most sellers expect a bit of "back and forth", they simply open with a starting position.

SteveRobinson

It's spreading!

https://www.gumtree.com/p/guitar-instrument/stunning-much-sought-after-1978-yamaha-sg-2000-flame-tobacco-sunburst-electric-guitar-hardly-played/1255084990

Great condition but nearly £3K?

spark240

SteveRobinson said:

It's spreading!

https://www.gumtree.com/p/guitar-instrument/stunning-much-sought-after-1978-yamaha-sg-2000-flame-tobacco-sunburst-electric-guitar-hardly-played/1255084990

Great condition but nearly £3K?

No doubt been surfing Hebay, if they had it 40 yrs I reckon its cost about the same as mine did back then...

<a data-flickr-embed="true"  href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/149260669@N02/34050628206/in/datetaken/" title="My first proper guitar...