Body wood affects tone

MartinB

Three-ColourSunburst said:

MartinB said:

Earlier you were dismissing papers that disagreed with you on the basis that they came from undergraduates and not professors.  Now you're incessantly posting Youtube videos that you feel prove your point.  
I think you may not be as objective and dispassionate as you would like to believe.  

Nah, the physics says 'tone wood' can't be real. The 'tone wood' hypothesis has been shown to be false by credible academic research. I'm just having fun now.

Honestly, I reckon you're attempting to court some mod action so that you can feel like a martyr to science amidst a sea of superstitious fools.  Trolling, in other words.  

Rabs

GSPBASSES said:

Cirrus said:

And yet, I made a guitar out of Pringles and it was only good for one kind of music. I picked it up, started playing pop, and couldn't stop.

I like it!
Do you know what type of wood the cardboard  the  tube was made out of  as this will make a big difference to how loud the pop will be, and of course each time you pop a Pirngle out,  

No no..

It only makes a difference if its glued with hide glue... Flavour comes second..

:P

Sassafras

I wouldn't accept a youtube clip as proof of anything.
I wouldn't even buy a plectrum based on an online demo.

Sassafras

To think that Emp & Drew got canned and yet 3colour sunburst is still allowed to carry on. Talk about injustice

Three-ColourSunburst

Nice woody tone from this steel bodied guitar.

NelsonP

Three-ColourSunburst said:

MartinB said:

Earlier you were dismissing papers that disagreed with you on the basis that they came from undergraduates and not professors.  Now you're incessantly posting Youtube videos that you feel prove your point.  
I think you may not be as objective and dispassionate as you would like to believe.  

Nah, the physics says 'tone wood' can't be real. The 'tone wood' hypothesis has been shown to be false by credible academic research. I'm just having fun now.

But the tonewood hypothesis can't be shown to be false based on what we've seen so far.

All you can conclude is that different wood does not allow a difference to be detected in the electrical signal generated by the pickups of an unamplified guitar, when using a spectrum analyser.

It's quite a leap from that to outright rejection of the tonewood hypothesis.

Roland

Sassafras said:

To think that Emp & Drew got canned and yet 3colour sunburst is still allowed to carry on. Talk about injustice

Chalk and cheese. Emp and Drew got abusive with each other. 3cs is just irritating people.

Rabs

Ohh.. I found that video with the music box test...

He does however say that the pickup is unwaxed...  Which I think was covered somewhere on here..  That unpotted pups are more mircophonic.. Still interesting though.. Go to 3:50 for that test.

bacchanalian

MartinB said:

bacchanalian said:

Please make it stop!

My life is a lie!!

I wish I had stuck with my plywood Hondo.

Hey, I'm very fond of my plywood Hondo!  Though it's a 335 copy, so plywood by design rather than as a cheap alternative to solid wood...

Three-ColourSunburst

The famous solid-brass Ibanez. Pity it's not a better demo, but it might be the only one on the Tube.

Rabs

Well while we are at it. This is one of the more interesting alternative guitars ive seen.

dindude

Three-ColourSunburst said:

Nice woody tone from this steel bodied guitar.

Sounds like an electric guitar yes, but there's some very high transients in the sound, especially in the bridge. Caked in reverb and processing too. 

This for me just as an example (in the solo) is the sound of mahogany, you simply won't get that exact same response from anything else. I don't expect you to hear it, because well you're deaf. And this thread is stupid.

Rabs

dindude said:

Three-ColourSunburst said:

Nice woody tone from this steel bodied guitar.

Sounds like an electric guitar yes, but there's some very high transients in the sound, especially in the bridge. Caked in reverb and processing too. 

This for me just as an example (in the solo) is the sound of mahogany, you simply won't get that exact same response from anything else. I don't expect you to hear it, because well you're deaf. And this thread is stupid.

Hmm, I kind of agree and don't..  Because for example most people assumed that Jimmy Page recorded with a LP but a lot of us know now that he played a Tele in the studio for many tracks.

And similarly many assumed that Gilmour recorded with a Strat but that wasn't always true either. Check out 4:20 in.

professorben

dindude said:

Three-ColourSunburst said:

Nice woody tone from this steel bodied guitar.

Sounds like an electric guitar yes, but there's some very high transients in the sound, especially in the bridge. Caked in reverb and processing too. 

This for me just as an example (in the solo) is the sound of mahogany, you simply won't get that exact same response from anything else. I don't expect you to hear it, because well you're deaf. And this thread is stupid.

Absolute nonsense, how do we know what he played in the studio?

Jimmy Page Stairway solo for years was hailed a great Les Paul tone.

David Gilmour Another Brick solo classic Strat despite being played on a custom guitar that shared more heritage to a Les Paul than anything. 

Eddie Van Halen You Really Got Me.... Super Strat with a Floyd..... nope a Les Paul. 

A lot of Slash's parts on Appetite are in fact not a Derrig Les Paul replica, but a BC Rich Mockingbird with a Floyd.  

what you refer to as 'the sound of mahogany' is really the sound of Gibson PAF's, Marshall 50w heads, Celestion Greenbacks, Shure SM57, Neve Console etc etc.
If Angus guitar was made of Basswood or Teak or even Bakelite, there is no way, I think, that it would be perceivable in any way to tell the difference in a mix.   

dindude

professorben said:

dindude said:

Three-ColourSunburst said:

Nice woody tone from this steel bodied guitar.

Sounds like an electric guitar yes, but there's some very high transients in the sound, especially in the bridge. Caked in reverb and processing too. 

This for me just as an example (in the solo) is the sound of mahogany, you simply won't get that exact same response from anything else. I don't expect you to hear it, because well you're deaf. And this thread is stupid.

Absolute nonsense, how do we know what he played in the studio?

Jimmy Page Stairway solo for years was hailed a great Les Paul tone.

David Gilmour Another Brick solo classic Strat despite being played on a custom guitar that shared more heritage to a Les Paul than anything. 

Eddie Van Halen You Really Got Me.... Super Strat with a Floyd..... nope a Les Paul. 

A lot of Slash's parts on Appetite are in fact not a Derrig Les Paul replica, but a BC Rich Mockingbird with a Floyd.  

what you refer to as 'the sound of mahogany' is really the sound of Gibson PAF's, Marshall 50w heads, Celestion Greenbacks, Shure SM57, Neve Console etc etc.
If Angus guitar was made of Basswood or Teak or even Bakelite, there is no way, I think, that it would be perceivable in any way to tell the difference in a mix.   

I disagree, despite the page and Gilmour examples being always being trotted out.
For the Angus example I posted, I don't think the track would necessarily be worse off or even that different if he used a Telecaster, but listen to the little harmonic he does at 2:26/2:27, the high bends around 2:46 - it's subtle stuff but as soon as you pick up a Humbucker loaded mahogany guitar and plug it into a mid gained amp, you instantly recognise those rounded highs, and blurry notes. Humbuckers in alder / ash etc sound different. Yes in any production environment the lines can and often are blurred, but my point is you can here the mahogany characteristics in that ACDC clip.
I don't care if people think I'm nuts, it astounds me fankly that I share a niche forum where people can't tell the subtle difference between guitars. 

NelsonP

Damn. We could have saved ourselves a lot of time....

https://www.fender.com/articles/tech-talk/do-different-woods-affect-your-electric-guitar-tone

professorben

dindude said:

professorben said:

dindude said:

Three-ColourSunburst said:

Nice woody tone from this steel bodied guitar.

Sounds like an electric guitar yes, but there's some very high transients in the sound, especially in the bridge. Caked in reverb and processing too. 

This for me just as an example (in the solo) is the sound of mahogany, you simply won't get that exact same response from anything else. I don't expect you to hear it, because well you're deaf. And this thread is stupid.

Absolute nonsense, how do we know what he played in the studio?

Jimmy Page Stairway solo for years was hailed a great Les Paul tone.

David Gilmour Another Brick solo classic Strat despite being played on a custom guitar that shared more heritage to a Les Paul than anything. 

Eddie Van Halen You Really Got Me.... Super Strat with a Floyd..... nope a Les Paul. 

A lot of Slash's parts on Appetite are in fact not a Derrig Les Paul replica, but a BC Rich Mockingbird with a Floyd.  

what you refer to as 'the sound of mahogany' is really the sound of Gibson PAF's, Marshall 50w heads, Celestion Greenbacks, Shure SM57, Neve Console etc etc.
If Angus guitar was made of Basswood or Teak or even Bakelite, there is no way, I think, that it would be perceivable in any way to tell the difference in a mix.   

I disagree, despite the page and Gilmour examples being always being trotted out.
For the Angus example I posted, I don't think the track would necessarily be worse off or even that different if he used a Telecaster, but listen to the little harmonic he does at 2:26/2:27, the high bends around 2:46 - it's subtle stuff but as soon as you pick up a Humbucker loaded mahogany guitar and plug it into a mid gained amp, you instantly recognise those rounded highs, and blurry notes. Humbuckers in alder / ash etc sound different. Yes in any production environment the lines can and often are blurred, but my point is you can here the mahogany characteristics in that ACDC clip.
I don't care if people think I'm nuts, it astounds me fankly that I share a niche forum where people can't tell the subtle difference between guitars. 

Ah see, I'm not saying that the subtle differences in guitars are not strikingly obvious, I'm saying it's not the wood that's responsible for those differences, or at least not to the degree that you yourself might attribute it. 

NelsonP

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koneguitarist

Quite a few years ago I was listening to Albert Lee's replacement in the Emmylou Harris Hot band. Albert had replaced James Burton who had a much superior tone to Albert but Albert was much more exciting to listen to. New guitarist Frank Reckard sounded like James Burton, but was also a soloist more like Albert. And if you listened to all three you would be hard pressed to believe one of the guitars used was a Les Paul special with P90's. 
Now thats a guitar with shorter scale length, different build design, different pickups etc and wood. What does that prove? Nothing apart from the player makes the most difference. 

NelsonP

koneguitarist said:

Quite a few years ago I was listening to Albert Lee's replacement in the Emmylou Harris Hot band. Albert had replaced James Burton who had a much superior tone to Albert but Albert was much more exciting to listen to. New guitarist Frank Reckard sounded like James Burton, but was also a soloist more like Albert. And if you listened to all three you would be hard pressed to believe one of the guitars used was a Les Paul special with P90's. 
Now thats a guitar with shorter scale length, different build design, different pickups etc and wood. What does that prove? Nothing apart from the player makes the most difference. 

Gary Clark Jr sounds pretty similar whether his using a p90 loaded semi hollow casino his 60s sg.

Especially if I listen to him on YouTube using my phone's speaker.