Johnny Marr Jag: Staytrem or Mastery ?

jellybelly

bwets said:

Wazmeister said:

So, another question... does the Johnny Marr jag need a Staytrem tremolo instead of the standard one ?

Why don't you try first and see?

I agree - I'm sure the Marruar is fine out-of-the-box. Just change whatever you're unhappy with. For example, all this Staytrem business had me thinking about the original bridge in my AV65. It had never rattled, I just assumed Mastery and then staytrem would be better. In truth, the original is fine, it's less heavy so there's a change in tone and feel but not necessarily for the worse - just different!

pmg

I had a stock marr jag.  I strung with 11s and had zero issues FWIW.  I miss that guitar.

Gassage

15 pages, 3 bannings, eventually locked by the Modmins.

GavRichList

String spacing is wider on the stock marr I believe. 

Wazmeister

Johnny Marr Jag is now... in the house !

impmann

Stock Marr bridge can (on some guitars) have string spacing issues.

Staytrem is close to whats already there and is nicer made, with better string spacing.

Mastery to my ears sound better. Ordering direct from Woody (Mastery) is very efficient - when I bought the tremolo, it took three days door to door. Customs wasn't an issue, either. So to the guy waiting for his local shop, I think they may be spinning you a line.

GavRichList

Whilst I prefer Staytrem, I’d second that Mastery sound a little better. BUT they can still be rattly petulant buggers, whereas the Staytrem is a set and forget. It’s also very slightly nicer with the vibrato than a Mastery. 

Wazmeister

Fitted, somewhat nervously, the Staytrem...

Simple. Adjusted the string height, and then fully intonated the Jag (first time Ive ever done this).

This guitar is perfect. Absolutely smuggly proud of myself

Could recommend the Staytrem enough.

GavRichList

Wazmeister said:

Fitted, somewhat nervously, the Staytrem...

Simple. Adjusted the string height, and then fully intonated the Jag (first time Ive ever done this).

This guitar is perfect. Absolutely smuggly proud of myself

Could recommend the Staytrem enough.

Well done. Arm and collet mod recommended too If you use the vibrato. A very safe £30 investment. 

Wazmeister

GavRichList said:

Wazmeister said:

Fitted, somewhat nervously, the Staytrem...

Simple. Adjusted the string height, and then fully intonated the Jag (first time Ive ever done this).

This guitar is perfect. Absolutely smuggly proud of myself

Could recommend the Staytrem enough.

Well done. Arm and collet mod recommended too If you use the vibrato. A very safe £30 investment. 

Gav, I've no idea what this is !! Is it from Staytrem ?

GavRichList

Wazmeister said:

GavRichList said:

Wazmeister said:

Fitted, somewhat nervously, the Staytrem...

Simple. Adjusted the string height, and then fully intonated the Jag (first time Ive ever done this).

This guitar is perfect. Absolutely smuggly proud of myself

Could recommend the Staytrem enough.

Well done. Arm and collet mod recommended too If you use the vibrato. A very safe £30 investment. 

Gav, I've no idea what this is !! Is it from Staytrem ?

Yeah. It essentially means the arm stays wherever you leave it 

Funkfingers

IIRC, the Fender JMJ has either a genuine StayTrem arm and collet from new or Fender's cheapo imitation of the design (just like the bridge/saddle assembly that Waz just sold.) A photograph of the push-in end of the arm would clarify the matter.

Wazmeister

Funkfingers said:

IIRC, the Fender JMJ has either a genuine StayTrem arm and collet from new or Fender's cheapo imitation of the design (just like the bridge/saddle assembly that Waz just sold.) A photograph of the push-in end of the arm would clarify the matter.

The JMJ does have a modified tremolo arm system - I wonder if the Staytrem is even better ?

GavRichList

Wazmeister said:

Funkfingers said:

IIRC, the Fender JMJ has either a genuine StayTrem arm and collet from new or Fender's cheapo imitation of the design (just like the bridge/saddle assembly that Waz just sold.) A photograph of the push-in end of the arm would clarify the matter.

The JMJ does have a modified tremolo arm system - I wonder if the Staytrem is even better ?

There’s probably only cosmetics in it. Essentially it has a plastic bushing on it which prevents slip 

Funkfingers

https://i.imgur.com/Zer70lu.jpg?1

Wazmeister

@Funkfingers ;;  appreciate the efforts with the photo mate !

So, what's the conclusion there with the photo ? Worth fitting the Staytrem ?

Funkfingers

Inspect the arm supplied with your JMJ. If it has a rounded end and a 3mm portion machined out of it, you already have the StayTrem parts. A flat end and approximately 10mm machined away indicates a Fender part.

Wazmeister

Funkfingers said:

Inspect the arm supplied with your JMJ. If it has a rounded end and a 3mm portion machined out of it, you already have the StayTrem parts. A flat end and approximately 10mm machined away indicates a Fender part.

Thanks for all the help and advice...

I can confirm, having removed the arm, that it is the rounded Staytrem part fitted to mine

It makes sense as the arm stays where you put it, and the trem is very stable.

Paul_C

When I had my J Mascis Jazzmaster I just bent the bit of the arm that went into the hole so it stayed where I left it - worked a treat for £0.00