Noise gate. Where do you put yours?

ToneControl

sweepy said:

Tried everything, I also disabled the noise gate on my Axe Fx Helix etc, they screw up all the nuances of damped and dynamic pickingto my ears

did you try the 4CM (as I used on my NS50)?

Here's and example:


If you set this up properly on a good noise gate, it should be hard to lose any nuances


Whereas if you use your noise gate like this, you will lose nuance and bits of the note, because it's not the recommended way to do it:

fastonebaz

I set it up like the first diagram.   I don't lose any nuances I'm really impressed. 

Phil_aka_Pip

@ToneControl That first diagram is ingenious and a nice bit of lateral thinking.

ToneControl

Phil_aka_Pip said:

@ToneControl That first diagram is ingenious and a nice bit of lateral thinking.

It's a commonly used studio technique the other way round: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_range_compression#Side-chaining (i.e. using a trigger to reduce volume when the trigger goes over a threshold). For a noise gate, we want the opposite, a trigger input dropping below a threshold should reduce the gain massively (effectively to zero)

instead of applying 60dB or whatever of gain, and removing all the dynamic range, then setting a threshold, you trigger the gate from the clean, full-dynamic signal

I used to use this with stupidly high gain H&K preamps, and it works perfectly, I used the NS50 Boss half-rack, but the NS-2 seems to offer the same facility

All the PC-based amp-sims do this too AFAIK, and the AxeFx2, etc

flying_pie

fastonebaz said:

I've rewired my board now using the X formation and it's much better.  Virtually silent when I stop playing.  Cheers

It's great isn't it. 

I'm not sure of you're aware of this but you can also change how the NS 2 functions.

Mute mode will (obviously) mute the signal when pressed and allow noise reduction when the light is off. 

Reduction mode will toggle between nr on and off which can be useful if you want to turn off noise reduction for feedback or need the notes to sustain more

clarkefan

flying_pie said:

fastonebaz said:

I've rewired my board now using the X formation and it's much better.  Virtually silent when I stop playing.  Cheers

It's great isn't it. 

I'm not sure of you're aware of this but you can also change how the NS 2 functions.

Mute mode will (obviously) mute the signal when pressed and allow noise reduction when the light is off. 

Reduction mode will toggle between nr on and off which can be useful if you want to turn off noise reduction for feedback or need the notes to sustain more

That's a stupid good idea! Why aren't these things ever obvious to me? Thank you

Wazmeister

Gassage said:

pintspiller said:

I think I remember a Gilmour rig where he had one every few pedals

Thanks. I just ordered 12.

Like it...

fastonebaz

@flying_pie cheers yes I use those functions.   I think it's a great pedal and a vital part of my board.

flying_pie

fastonebaz said:

@flying_pie cheers yes I use those functions.   I think it's a great pedal and a vital part of my board.

It certainly is a useful pedal for a high gain rig.  FWIW I had mine for ages before I learned what that knob did! 

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