Squire jazzmaster

MrTurnip's

I'm considering going to buy a deluxe tomorrow but not sure if to get the hardtail or trem model. 

Pro's and cons for an amateur please.

Obviously I realise you can't use the trem on the hardtail more thinking tuning stability on either etc...

Cheers 

meltedbuzzbox

The hardtail wont produce all the overtones you get from a "normal" Jazzmaster. 
That can be a blessing or a curse. 
For me the overtones are what makes the guitar sound so special. Its all that extra harmonic content sprinkling extra lovelyness over everything you play. 
However I think for a lot of people its what they struggle with. 

As always, play both and buy the one you prefer. 

stimpsonslostson

I'm tempted by the trem version.
The hardtail just looks wrong to me.

marktheharp

Will be following this thread with interest. .

Winny_Pooh

I'd rather have a jazz shaped Revelation. Nicer feel and sounds better plus the regular style trem feels less weird.

I've played this model and it was excellent 
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/292683113357

Or depending where you live:

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/232889361650

Teyeplayer

Definitely go for the trem version. Though I doubt it’s as good as a US or mastery version, the jazz/jag trem is a masterpiece in my opinion, I personally love them. This would be a great way for you to get used to their nuances. Factor in a bridge upgrade to a staytrem and you’ll have a lot of fun!

gringopig

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meltedbuzzbox

gringopig said:

Hmm but the Squier Jazzmaster Deluxe has an 'Adjusto-matic bridge' and I'm not sure if that functions like the proper rocking 2 point bridge.
You might be a lot better off getting a Vintage Modified

https://www.andertons.co.uk/guitar-dept/electric-guitars/alternative-body-guitars/squier-vintage-modified-jazzmaster-in-olympic-white-indian-laurel-fingerboard

Looks much more like a proper JM

As much as I don't like adjusto matic bridges on fenders I would probably take it over a stock JM bridge, even if it is made out of pig iron and plasticine. 

gringopig

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Teyeplayer

I’m with @gringopig on this, go down the vintage modified route, get a Staytrem and then see if a jazzmaster works for you. They are great guitars!

Gerz6558

I have the deluxe jazzmaster with the trem. It's an excellent guitar.

I find the trems on these squier pretty good, with none of the loose trem arm syndrome which has plagued some of my other more expensive offsets (although easily remedied thanks to staytrem).

My only annoyance with the deluxe is the adjustomatic bridge, it doesn't rock as others have said and this will always be a problem if you use a trem frequently/heavily. Staytrem no longer make their version of the bridge and the other versions won't fit in this guitar. I was going to get a roller bridge but people have had mixed success trying to find one that fits.

My advice would be if you're a heavy trem user go and get the VM Jazzmaster instead.

Sasz

I think Staytrem do still make their adjustomatic replacement bridge, they've just temporarily stopped taking orders for it.

From their site:

AOM replacement bridge availability:

There has been an overwhelming demand for the AOM replacement bridge and there are advance orders for all our production up till October.

When we have cleared the backlog of orders they will be available again.

Gerz6558

Sasz said:

I think Staytrem do still make their adjustomatic replacement bridge, they've just temporarily stopped taking orders for it.

From their site:

AOM replacement bridge availability:

There has been an overwhelming demand for the AOM replacement bridge and there are advance orders for all our production up till October.

When we have cleared the backlog of orders they will be available again.

That's good to know, thanks.  I didn't checked the status message because on the many J Mascis Jazzmaster threads on this subject, people were implying that Staytrem weren't making the AOM model anymore.

I've been waiting for one of those bass VI bridges to come back in stock, same message for those too.

dogload

The simplest solution to the TOM bridge on the J Mascis JM and Deluxe is to use a direct-replacement with roller saddles. Replaces the rocking action of a traditional JM bridge and has none of the problems of the string snagging on a regular TOM saddle. Got them on both my JM JMs.

Gerz6558

dogload said:

The simplest solution to the TOM bridge on the J Mascis JM and Deluxe is to use a direct-replacement with roller saddles. Replaces the rocking action of a traditional JM bridge and has none of the problems of the string snagging on a regular TOM saddle. Got them on both my JM JMs.

Do you have a link to the one you bought at all?  The problem has been that people have been taking a punt and buying the no brand/wilkinson roller bridges from various different sources and most of the time they don't fit, a few have lucked out and got a good fit.

The other issue is that as those roller bridges are mainly designed for Les Paul/Gibson type models you're going to have the same radius mismatch that you get with the stock bridge.  This bothers me less than the lack of rocking motion though.

punchesjudy

You can drill out the rivets holding the bridge posts on a Staytrem and just sit it on the adjustomatic posts. Works great.

Gerz6558

punchesjudy said:

You can drill out the rivets holding the bridge posts on a Staytrem and just sit it on the adjustomatic posts. Works great.

That's thinking outside of the box, nice!

Nice guitar by the way. They really should do another run of those, pity Squier decided to move away from artist models.

Henrytwang

I’d go for the tremolo model. A hard tail Jazzmaster just ain’t right. I know that people complain about the bridges on them but I’ve got both a Jazzmster and a Jaguar and I’ve never had a problem with them.

duotone

For around £20 more than the Deluxe Model, I would go for the Vintage Modified range.

https://www.andertons.co.uk/squier-vintage-modified-jazzmaster-in-olympic-white-indian-laurel-fingerboard

Gerz6558

duotone said:

For around £20 more than the Deluxe Model, I would go for the Vintage Modified range.

https://www.andertons.co.uk/squier-vintage-modified-jazzmaster-in-olympic-white-indian-laurel-fingerboard

I suppose the caveat to that is that the deluxe will be a higher quality guitar for slightly cheaper.

But I agree, having had both I'd go for the VM too. 

MrTurnip's

Thanks all I really appreciate the help!!!. Glad I asked..