Screening / Shielding a Rear Routed Strat

The control cavity: I have shielded comprehensively with good quality conductive graphite paint. 

The control cavity cover: is also shielded with copper foil and I’ve ensured electrical continuity..

Interestingly with the pickup selector switch in bridge position I get no buzz when I take my hands off the strings/bridge. 

However I get a little more buzz with the pickup selector in the middle position and a lot more buzz with the pickup selector in the neck position.

It’s almost as if the longer cables from the neck pickup are attracting electromagnetic interference...

Is there a simple solution please?

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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 72572
    jaymenon said:

    It’s almost as if the longer cables from the neck pickup are attracting electromagnetic interference...

    Is there a simple solution please?

    It’s exactly that.

    Replace the wiring to the pickups with shielded cable.

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  • jaymenonjaymenon Frets: 836
    edited August 2018
    How do I do that please John?
    They’re Kinmans - from Kinman I understand that the hookup cables are screened cables and so are immune to buzz. 

    They suggest I shield the pickup cavity walls and floors if not already.
    But If I paint the floors and walls of the pickup cavities, the 'roof' would still be open right?

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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 72572
    jaymenon said:

    They’re Kinmans - from Kinman I understand that the hookup cables are screened cables and so are immune to buzz.
    They should be - have you definitely connected the shields at the control end? (The bare wire.)

    jaymenon said:

    They suggest I shield the pickup cavity walls and floors if not already.
    But If I paint the floors and walls of the pickup cavities, the 'roof' would still be open right?
    Yes, but it will still make a difference. If the bridge pickup isn't buzzy it must be because it's closer to the control cavity shielding. (Remember that the shielding must be connected to the ground elsewhere too, or it won't work.)

    *Some* buzz is inevitable with a passive guitar though - that's why the strings need to be grounded, so the player acts as a shield.

    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski

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  • jaymenonjaymenon Frets: 836
    edited August 2018
    Thanks John

    The pickups are two conductor
    - ground to volume pot casing
    - signal to selector switch

    Re: connecting the pickup cavity shielding to ground, looks like I’ll need to connect a wire connecting each pickup cavity and the control cavity. since it’s rear routed with little channels connecting the pickup cavities to the control cavity. That’s  going to be really difficult... but I suppose a worthwhile challenge ...
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 72572
    You don’t need an extra wire back to the control cavity - you can connect the shielding to the ground of each pickup with a short one under the pickup.

    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski

    "Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein

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  • Hi John

    For each pickup cavity
    - One strip of foil affixed to floor
    - Rest of floor and walls painted with graphite paint (overlapping onto foil for electrical continuity)
    - A wire soldered to the foil strip and the volume pot

    Now she’s dead silent - no buzz when I take my hands off the metal parts.

    I was quite surprised since only the floors and walls of the pickup cavities are shielded - they are 'open sky' so to speak...

    I thought you’d find that interesting!

    So you were right - on rear routed instruments, graphite painting the pickup cavities really helps.
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 72572
    Neatly done - I haven't tried that combination of foil and paint, but I can see it has some advantages... not least that it's much easier to do than all foil! It should be a better shield than paint alone because the soldered wire will guarantee a better connection to a larger area, and the black probably looks better on the sides of the cavities than copper would too.

    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski

    "Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein

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