Changing tuner buttons on a PRS CE24....

Godlykepower

I’ve recently bought a CE24 and it’s a 2016 model, so will have a Korean bridge and tuners.

Apparently, there’s no benefit in changing the tuners themselves, but I want to change the buttons purely for looks, and I want to go with real wood.

Does anyone have a definitive answer to which i need?

The guy from Crazyparts says I need the buttons that will fit PRS Phase 3/SE tuners.
I’ve also had someone say that Schaller M6 buttons in standard size are the ones to go for.

Any help?

grungebob

Go on prs U.K. spares site. 

Godlykepower

grungebob said:

Go on prs U.K. spares site. 

It isn’t helping answer my question in the slightest.

Winny_Pooh

I fitted a set of Schallers to my Mira s2 (assume it has the same tuners) and they fit perfectly. I really dont like that the originals also look slightly oversized. 




https://www.touchstonetonewoods.co.uk/products/guitars-and-fretted-instruments/machine-heads-/-tuners/electric/schaller-machine-head-button-ebony-set-of-6-55861425638384/

Godlykepower

Winny_Pooh said:

I fitted a set of Schallers to my Mira s2 (assume it has the same tuners) and they fit perfectly. 

They look the same. Did you get the large or small Schaller buttons though?

Winny_Pooh

Link above in my post, they are likely the small

Godlykepower

The link has two sizes!

I don’t suppose you could whip out a ruler and measure the width and height of a button?
Large would be 23mm x 16.5mm
Small would be 18.5mm x 14.5mm

Funkfingers

Godlykepower said:

I’ve recently bought a CE24 ... Apparently, there’s no benefit in changing the tuners themselves.

I beg to differ.

Winny_Pooh said:

Mira s2 (I assume it has the same tuners) 

It doesn't. IMO, the S2 series Phase 3 style efforts are not much better than the Jin-Ho items on the SE. The gear housings on the latter are bigger than the S2 type and have a lug for a locator screw.

My PRS SE guitars now all sport Gotoh SG381 machineheads. If any of them had a vibrato, I would have chosen the Gotoh Magnum Lock 'heads. These directly retrofit. Thus, in the event that you ever decide to sell the CE24, the modification can be reversed.

grungebob

Godlykepower said:

grungebob said:

Go on prs U.K. spares site. 

It isn’t helping answer my question in the slightest.

They have the specs/sizes for SE,S2 and core on there, from that you can work out what you need.
But it does require reading it yourself. 

Godlykepower

grungebob said:

Godlykepower said:

grungebob said:

Go on prs U.K. spares site. 

It isn’t helping answer my question in the slightest.

They have the specs/sizes for SE,S2 and core on there, from that you can work out what you need.
But it does require reading it yourself. 

Alright, no need to be a smart arse.

I can’t for the life of me see anywhere that has specs and sizes for the tuner buttons.

Godlykepower

@Funkfingers My replies to you somehow need approving before they show up?

Are you saying that there are some tuners that will directly drop into a CE24 without modification?

I just looked up the Gotoh’s and they all have screws to attach to the back of the headstock, my ne has the pins.

Funkfingers

Godlykepower said:

@Funkfingers My replies to you somehow need approving before they show up?

Que?

Godlykepower said:

Are you saying that there are some tuners that will directly drop into a CE24 without modification?

I just looked up the Gotohs and they all have screws to attach to the back of the headstock, my one has the pins.

My mistake. I was thinking of the SE Series.

My experience of Core PRS guitars is all on older examples. With one exception, these all left the factory with the "wing collar" 'heads, fastened by five screws. The one exception has keystone Kluson-alikes.

Godlykepower

@Funkfingers When I quoted you in a reply, a thing came up at the bottom saying my comment will appear after it’s been approved.

All this has done, has confuse me more! The picture above, you said they are Phase 3s? Aren’t Phase 3s the open geared set? The tuners on the CE certainly look just like the ones above.

Winny_Pooh

Godlykepower said:

The link has two sizes!

I don’t suppose you could whip out a ruler and measure the width and height of a button?
Large would be 23mm x 16.5mm
Small would be 18.5mm x 14.5mm

Just measured and they are the small size.

Godlykepower

Funkfingers said:

Godlykepower said:

I’ve recently bought a CE24 ... Apparently, there’s no benefit in changing the tuners themselves.

I beg to differ.

Winny_Pooh said:

Mira s2 (I assume it has the same tuners) 

It doesn't. IMO, the S2 series Phase 3 style efforts are not much better than the Jin-Ho items on the SE. The gear housings on the latter are bigger than the S2 type and have a lug for a locator screw.

My PRS SE guitars now all sport Gotoh SG381 machineheads. If any of them had a vibrato, I would have chosen the Gotoh Magnum Lock 'heads. These directly retrofit. Thus, in the event that you ever decide to sell the CE24, the modification can be reversed.

Are you saying that the Gotoh’s ARE an upgrade, and will drop right in without modifications?

Godlykepower

Funkfingers said:

Godlykepower said:

I’ve recently bought a CE24 ... Apparently, there’s no benefit in changing the tuners themselves.

I beg to differ.

Winny_Pooh said:

Mira s2 (I assume it has the same tuners) 

It doesn't. IMO, the S2 series Phase 3 style efforts are not much better than the Jin-Ho items on the SE. The gear housings on the latter are bigger than the S2 type and have a lug for a locator screw.

My PRS SE guitars now all sport Gotoh SG381 machineheads. If any of them had a vibrato, I would have chosen the Gotoh Magnum Lock 'heads. These directly retrofit. Thus, in the event that you ever decide to sell the CE24, the modification can be reversed.

Will the Gotoh’s just drop right in without drilling and modification?

Godlykepower

Funkfingers said:

Godlykepower said:

I’ve recently bought a CE24 ... Apparently, there’s no benefit in changing the tuners themselves.

I beg to differ.

Winny_Pooh said:

Mira s2 (I assume it has the same tuners) 

It doesn't. IMO, the S2 series Phase 3 style efforts are not much better than the Jin-Ho items on the SE. The gear housings on the latter are bigger than the S2 type and have a lug for a locator screw.

My PRS SE guitars now all sport Gotoh SG381 machineheads. If any of them had a vibrato, I would have chosen the Gotoh Magnum Lock 'heads. These directly retrofit. Thus, in the event that you ever decide to sell the CE24, the modification can be reversed.

Are you saying that the Gotoh’s ARE an upgrade, and will drop right in without modifications?

Godlykepower

Funkfingers said:

Godlykepower said:

I’ve recently bought a CE24 ... Apparently, there’s no benefit in changing the tuners themselves.

I beg to differ.

Winny_Pooh said:

Mira s2 (I assume it has the same tuners) 

It doesn't. IMO, the S2 series Phase 3 style efforts are not much better than the Jin-Ho items on the SE. The gear housings on the latter are bigger than the S2 type and have a lug for a locator screw.

My PRS SE guitars now all sport Gotoh SG381 machineheads. If any of them had a vibrato, I would have chosen the Gotoh Magnum Lock 'heads. These directly retrofit. Thus, in the event that you ever decide to sell the CE24, the modification can be reversed.

Will the Gotoh’s just drop right in without drilling and modification?

Godlykepower

Right, I have confirmation from PRS themselves that the tuners on a 2016 model CE are the Phase 3/Gotoh ones.

Just ordered a set of Rosewood buttons from Crazyparts, and an upgraded trem from Wudtone.