£50k Les Paul... History?

WindmillGuitars

Love the description ..

`Who cares about a bit of wire and pickups

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/323677361349

jacksparrow

Fake as F**K

Voxman

jacksparrow said:

Fake as F**K

Why?

ICBM

This one has been doing the rounds for years. I believe it's a 50s guitar too - in fact a 50s Gibson Les Paul - just not an original '58-'60 sunburst Standard...

prlgmnr

"Period correct/vintage features are unimportant by the way while you're here please pay 50k for this vintage instrument"

Strat_a_tat_tat

@ICBM What model do you think it might be?

ICBM

Strat_a_tat_tat said:

@ICBM What model do you think it might be?

If I remember rightly the consensus is that it's an earlier 50s P90 Les Paul that's been retopped. The giveaway is the seam separation behind the bridge, apparently that's normal for conversions done by the particular luthier who did it (I forget his name).

The other giveaway of course is that it's "only" 50K. If it was a real one it would be a lot more than that.

guitars4you

ICBM said:

This one has been doing the rounds for years. I believe it's a 50s guitar too - in fact a 50s Gibson Les Paul - just not an original '58-'60 sunburst Standard...

I recall this coming up many times in the past - without googling around to find its previous listings I thought it was far more than 50K previously - And yes previous postings on FB have shown more about its history/origin

Skipped

The guitar sounds great (in the hands of John Miles).

But until the seller establishes what the guitar is, he will not even get Conversion money, let alone the asking price. The guitar has no provenance?  Awkward. So he has to start with reliable  expert opinion. Someone who has worked on dozens of 50s Les Pauls.

Until he gets that, he is not just wasting your time. He has been wasting his own time for the past 5 years or more.

I could be persuaded that a guitar previously owned by Mick Ralphs may attract more buyers. I can see no evidence that a guitar owned by John Miles would more than double in value.

jacksparrow

Voxman said:

jacksparrow said:

Fake as F**K

Why?

Where do you start,stop tail piece wrong angle, knobs do not look like genuine knobs, paint on back looks totally wrong, switch looks all wrong also.

darthed1981

If anyone is tempted, they do an Epiphone PlusTop Pro in very a similar colour you can get for £350 if you shop around.

#Justsaying

Strat_a_tat_tat

ICBM said:

Strat_a_tat_tat said:

@ICBM What model do you think it might be?

If I remember rightly the consensus is that it's an earlier 50s P90 Les Paul that's been retopped. The giveaway is the seam separation behind the bridge, apparently that's normal for conversions done by the particular luthier who did it (I forget his name).

The other giveaway of course is that it's "only" 50K. If it was a real one it would be a lot more than that.

Thanks for the info. So does that mean people think it may be a Standard (perhaps a goldtop) that may have had its top replaced... or that it could be a LP Junior with a maple cap added?

jpfamps

Strat_a_tat_tat said:

ICBM said:

Strat_a_tat_tat said:

@ICBM What model do you think it might be?

If I remember rightly the consensus is that it's an earlier 50s P90 Les Paul that's been retopped. The giveaway is the seam separation behind the bridge, apparently that's normal for conversions done by the particular luthier who did it (I forget his name).

The other giveaway of course is that it's "only" 50K. If it was a real one it would be a lot more than that.

Thanks for the info. So does that mean people think it may be a Standard (perhaps a goldtop) that may have had its top replaced... or that it could be a LP Junior with a maple cap added?

It would be a Standard that has been retopped; putting a top on a Junior would require a huge amount of work as the neck angle is wrong.

Loads of LP Goldtops were re topped in the 70s.

IvisonGuitars

ICBM said:

Strat_a_tat_tat said:

@ICBM What model do you think it might be?

If I remember rightly the consensus is that it's an earlier 50s P90 Les Paul that's been retopped. The giveaway is the seam separation behind the bridge, apparently that's normal for conversions done by the particular luthier who did it (I forget his name).

The other giveaway of course is that it's "only" 50K. If it was a real one it would be a lot more than that.

I’ve not even clicked the link but wasn’t this one a Dick Knight ‘conversion’?

BeardyAndy

I like the fact that he considers it a players guitar....... at 50k???!??!

peteri

Assuming it is a conversion - and it's been doing the rounds for so long, you begin to doubt it.

It's an example of all that can be bad about them (and I have one I love, which is nothing like this) - this is obviously a retop, I think new fretboard and inlays etc.

So actually at best it's a 52 neck (only the back of the neck) and mahogany part of the body, the rest is definitely off - plus it has a fake number and as others have said - a most dubious colour of red on the back.

ANY modern Gibson is a better guitar AFAIK, and that's from a vintage guitar guy

ICBM

miserneil said:

I’ve not even clicked the link but wasn’t this one a Dick Knight ‘conversion’?

Yes, that’s the name I couldn’t remember.

springhead

If you've got £50K to spend on an old Les Paul you wouldn't be spending it on this one.  You could get a much better conversion for less.You could buy an all original P90 goldtop for less.  You could buy a basket case or husk and have it converted for less.

He's either delusional about what it is and what it's worth, or is trying it on. 

heavyrocker

How does he think that with zero feedback and with all the doubts about authenticity which he helpfully describes in the listing that someone is going to be persuaded to part with £50k? The mind boggles. I actually think some of these eBay sellers have psychological problems.

scrumhalf

I have the money for it right here.

Admittedly, the notes have been converted from Monopoly money but won't make any difference, will it?

SteveRobinson

If that's the guitar he's playing on "Highfly" then I'm out.