BBC at it again. . .

notanon

How long ago was it that The Beeb made the Boris wreath changes?

https://twitter.com/Ian_Fraser/status/1198278997186007041

Sorry, it is only posted on Twitter that I know of.

RobDavies

The beeb can never win.  

The right will always accuse them of be biased towards the left and the left will accuse them of being biased towards the right. 

Even as a ‘revoker’ myself, I am sometimes amazed at how anti brexit someone like Emma Barnett is on 5Live.

breakstuff

RobDavies said:

The beeb can never win.  

The right will always accuse them of be biased towards the left and the left will accuse them of being biased towards the right. 

Even as a ‘revoker’ myself, I am sometimes amazed at how anti brexit someone like Emma Barnett is on 5Live.

Balanced out by Jeremy Vile to provide impartiality.

ten77guitar

Is the twitter link the original? In that one there is laughter then applause. That’s what I also saw on TV because I remember the laughter at that question. Where’s the editing?

DiscoStu

I always thought the Beeb were a bastion of truth and impartiality but that illusion was shattered during the Scottish independence referendum. And not because of which side of fence I'm on (I was undecided throughout most of the campaign) but due to the blatant lies and misreporting that was being broadcast.

Which is a shame as the rest of the world seems to have this golden image of Auntie Beeb.

camf

DiscoStu said:

I always thought the Beeb were a bastion of truth and impartiality but that illusion was shattered during the Scottish independence referendum. And not because of which side of fence I'm on (I was undecided throughout most of the campaign) but due to the blatant lies and misreporting that was being broadcast.

Which is a shame as the rest of the world seems to have this golden image of Auntie Beeb.

For sure.

thecolourbox

ten77guitar said:

Is the twitter link the original? In that one there is laughter then applause. That’s what I also saw on TV because I remember the laughter at that question. Where’s the editing?

They showed it in the news programme after the QT special but edited it out on the News at One programme the next day.

Cynics might say that's because those who watched QT would have noticed it at 10pm straight after QT but people wanting to catch up the next day would be none the wiser

Blueingreen

My own view is that the Beeb is left-leaning on most issues in a "progressive centrist" sort of way but there are two obvious areas where it isn't.

1. The royal family.  There's a long, deep tradition of the Beeb being royalist, and it's never shown any sign of deviation from that.  I think it still sees it as part of its essential function.  If will report the Andrew fiasco etc, but as soon as we get a birth or marriage it will revert to its default obsequiousness.  There's a jarring disconnect between it's knee-jerk progressiveness in matters of race, gender, sexual identity etc and its ritual genuflection in front of the Windsors.

2.  Issues dealing directly with UK party politics.  The Tories in particular like to have a regular kick at the Beeb, and it's worked: the Beeb is scared of them.  They know most of its employees are instinctively anti-Tory and they're terrified if it shows the Tories in power will have their revenge.  As a result it overcompensates.  Interestingly the high profile instinctive right wingers who do work at the Beeb tend to be the ones reporting or commenting on party political issues (Andrew Neil, Laura Kuensberg, Nick Robinson, Jeremy Paxman).  Again there's a disconnect: when talking about "issues" in a general way, the Beeb is progressive and somewhat lefty;  when dealing with hard, real-time politics like General Elections it tacks to the right.

DiscoStu

Here's the photo the BBC used in a report about a 2015 independence rally in Glasgow:

https://wingsoverscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/bs2.jpg

But here's a pic of what was really going on that day:

https://wingsoverscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/photo.jpg

Ok so they acknowledged that the rally happened but the image used was there to downplay the scale of the event. Biased reporting.

notanon

@ten77guitar ;You would need to view the whole thread on twitter, just click the post. I can't vouch for the veracity of this.

I agree with others that the Beeb should not become an arm of the politicians. I remember the reversal of the Miners strike footage that was very naughty. If the government believed the miners deserved a beating then justify it, don't play Orwellian tricks. Of course I'm familiar with many more Beeb truth adjustments. I also know everybody does it but with the Beeb, many many moons ago I held them in high esteem (how quaintly naïve) so it does still kind of shock me when I see the Beeb playing games.

Lodious

I watched the unedited version broadcast I thought it was the same? 

ten77guitar

Blueingreen said:

My own view is that the Beeb is left-leaning on most issues in a "progressive centrist" sort of way but there are two obvious areas where it isn't.

1. The royal family.  There's a long, deep tradition of the Beeb being royalist, and it's never shown any sign of deviation from that.  I think it still sees it as part of its essential function.  If will report the Andrew fiasco etc, but as soon as we get a birth or marriage it will revert to its default obsequiousness.  There's a jarring disconnect between it's knee-jerk progressiveness in matters of race, gender, sexual identity etc and its ritual genuflection in front of the Windsors.

2.  Issues dealing directly with UK party politics.  The Tories in particular like to have a regular kick at the Beeb, and it's worked: the Beeb is scared of them.  They know most of its employees are instinctively anti-Tory and they're terrified if it shows the Tories in power will have their revenge.  As a result it overcompensates.  Interestingly the high profile instinctive right wingers who do work at the Beeb tend to be the ones reporting or commenting on party political issues (Andrew Neil, Laura Kuensberg, Nick Robinson, Jeremy Paxman).  Again there's a disconnect: when talking about "issues" in a general way, the Beeb is progressive and somewhat lefty;  when dealing with hard, real-time politics it tacks to the right.

I think there’s a lot of truth in that. Another aspect is that the Beeb is never going to be overtly against the ruling party, given that they in principle at least have the power to take away its funding.

mikeyrob73

The Beeb? The same institution that covered up a child molester for many year? Does ANYONE trust them? 

Heartfeltdawn

RobDavies said:

The beeb can never win.  

The right will always accuse them of be biased towards the left and the left will accuse them of being biased towards the right. 

Even as a ‘revoker’ myself, I am sometimes amazed at how anti brexit someone like Emma Barnett is on 5Live.

As balance to the sterling pro-Brexit work John Humphrys did perhaps? 

Freebird

The only BBC news programme worth watching is Panodrama if you enjoy a good laugh. Unfortunately the head honcho got fired for taking it all a bit too far 

Fretwired

This is an interesting take on bias and not what you might expect from someone who worked there for 26 years .. worth listening all the way through if you are interested.

skunkwerx

I saw the title of the thread and well.. I didnt think British Broadcasting. 

Freebird

Fretwired said:

This is an interesting take on bias and not what you might expect from someone who worked there for 26 years .. worth listening all the way through if you are interested.

Quite interesting, but there is also another layer of two above this that isn't so well-known.

Octafish

It's alright it was just a mistake