Heaven and hell- how?

rsvmark

So really enjoyed this on yt.

how did they get it sounding so meaty particularly in solos? Normally in a guitar bass drums, it all drops out in the solos but nothing like that here. Any informed views?


https://youtu.be/e65Pirra6AQ?si=bKIwmmBm4uakT9aG

andy_k

My favourite versions are the DIO solo stuff with Vivian Campbell.
I think Iommi  probably has the more authentic tone though.

(edit- thought you meant the track, not the band, and I missed out on this line up when RJD died just before they were supposed to headline at High Voltage festival- Saw him just before on his solo tour with Doug Aldritch at the Astoria though, glad about that )

Mickeyji

Call me crazy, but I believe there’s a second guitar in there, hard panned to one side. Since there’s keyboards there too, could be the same guy?

fretmeister

Mickeyji said:

Call me crazy, but I believe there’s a second guitar in there, hard panned to one side. Since there’s keyboards there too, could be the same guy?

you might be right there. Definitely something else going on under the solo. Annoying really - I like a 3 instrument band to sound like a 3 instrument band!

Geezer's bass tone certainly helps. Far too many bassists go for loads of low and treble and no mids.
But as Sabbath / Queen / ZZ Top / Kings X etc etc show, a mid heavy P bass with more than expected overdrive really fills the sound out.

It's not a great tone alone - sounds too middy and farty but it's so fat in the mix. The farty drive actually sounds quite clean in the mix, the true tone only shows isolated.

StefB

fretmeister said:

Mickeyji said:

Call me crazy, but I believe there’s a second guitar in there, hard panned to one side. Since there’s keyboards there too, could be the same guy?

you might be right there. Definitely something else going on under the solo. Annoying really - I like a 3 instrument band to sound like a 3 instrument band!

Scott Warren from Dio's solo band played keyboards on the live dates - could that be it?

fretmeister

Could be!

It's very low in the mix - fills out the sound just enough while giving the illusion of there just being the regular band up there.

stickyfiddle

Yeah, Geezer has a huge amount of meat in that bass tone but there's definitely another guitar playing some chords under the solos. Very quiet, but it's there

TGP/Wiki appears to confirm: 

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/anyone-know-toni-iommi-heaven-and-hell-live-recording-setup.2182988/

From the H&H wiki page...
Ronnie James Dio – lead vocals, keyboards (2006–2010)
Tony Iommi – guitar (2006–2010)
Geezer Butler – bass (2006–2010)
Vinny Appice – drums, percussion (2006–2010)

Live musicians
Scott Warren – keyboards, guitar (offstage) (2007–2010)

Mickeyji

I think it works rather well sonically but it‘s a bit of a derogatary move to park the additional guy behind the stage.

Reverend

stickyfiddle said:

Yeah, Geezer has a huge amount of meat in that bass tone but there's definitely another guitar playing some chords under the solos. Very quiet, but it's there

TGP/Wiki appears to confirm: 

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/anyone-know-toni-iommi-heaven-and-hell-live-recording-setup.2182988/

From the H&H wiki page...
Ronnie James Dio – lead vocals, keyboards (2006–2010)
Tony Iommi – guitar (2006–2010)
Geezer Butler – bass (2006–2010)
Vinny Appice – drums, percussion (2006–2010)

Live musicians
Scott Warren – keyboards, guitar (offstage) (2007–2010)

Don't forget, Geoff Nichols spent as much time in sabbath as Ozzy, and write the song that gave us heaven and hell and holy diver

bloodandtears

How long as it before Spike Edney was given any recognition for his live work with Queen?

fretmeister

bloodandtears said:

How long as it before Spike Edney was given any recognition for his live work with Queen?

Far too long!

CaseOfAce

Mickeyji said:

I think it works rather well sonically but it‘s a bit of a derogatary move to park the additional guy behind the stage.

In these days of miming, playing to track or shoving holograms on the stage - actually having something playing parts live on tour whether out front or hidden is a bonus.

As regards Spike Edney - he took a bow with the rest of Queen at the end of the Live Aid gig and for the rest of the Magic tour dates?

EricTheWeary

I saw Queen live in probably 1983 and Spike Edney was visible on stage then (he wasn't employed for every number I think) so if Queen hid him it wasn't for long.