Royal Philharmonic Orchestra plus Gavin Harrison & Guthrie Govan plays 21st Century Schizoid Man

steamabacus

How much more prog can you get?

http://somethingelsereviews.com/2015/04/26/royal-philharmonic-gavin-harrison-king-crimson-guthrie-govan/

bingefeller

Calling @Clarky

Deijavoo

Wow of the day.

thomasross20

Too proggy for me but I loved these:

Clarky

wow…

although there are stellar performances in there from Guthrie and Gavin..

and some really interesting orchestral stuff going on..

I'm finding myself not really liking it..

it's just too nice for me..

in my lil' opinion… for what it's worth…

21st C should be raw power.. epic blood and snot

and that just ain't

it's too beautiful

steamabacus

Clarky said:

wow…

although there are stellar performances in there from Guthrie and Gavin..

and some really interesting orchestral stuff going on..

I'm finding myself not really liking it..

it's just too nice for me..

in my lil' opinion… for what it's worth…

21st C should be raw power.. epic blood and snot

and that just ain't

it's too beautiful

You've just managed to sum up my thoughts on this. It was actually better than I was expecting   .... but Schizoid Man should be visceral.

I felt something similar about the new live album - some stunning playing but lacking that raw, elemental power that I associate with Crimson at their best.

PolarityMan

The drums sounds like balls, what the fuck did they do to them?

english_bob

Dislike. 21st Century Schizoid Man should be legally protected from schmooth jazz interludes. Like @Clarky says, I want blood and snot. Or snot with blood in it. Or something. Not this.

Clarky

@english_bob 21st C is our [DC Band] encore..

many moons ago, DC asked me to come up with an arrangement for 21st C so we have a version of our own..

I like our version.. it's energy all the way.. and contains noooooooo jazz

steamabacus

Clarky said:

@english_bob 21st C is our [DC Band] encore..

many moons ago, DC asked me to come up with an arrangement for 21st C so we have a version of our own..

I like our version.. it's energy all the way.. and contains noooooooo jazz

Do you have a link to a performance of that anywhere?

english_bob

Clarky said:

@english_bob 21st C is our [DC Band] encore..

many moons ago, DC asked me to come up with an arrangement for 21st C so we have a version of our own..

I like our version.. it's energy all the way.. and contains noooooooo jazz

Pardon my ign'ance. Who's DC?

english_bob

english_bob said:

Clarky said:

@english_bob 21st C is our [DC Band] encore..

many moons ago, DC asked me to come up with an arrangement for 21st C so we have a version of our own..

I like our version.. it's energy all the way.. and contains noooooooo jazz

Pardon my ign'ance @clarky. Who's DC?

Clarky

@english_bob  DC = David Cross.. he used to be in King Crimson..

I'm the fella that makes guitar noises for him

it is worth pointing out that the guitar noises I make for him are generally too often and too loud.. but it keeps me smiling..

ChrisMusic

@Clarky said:

wow…

although there are stellar performances in there from Guthrie and Gavin..

and some really interesting orchestral stuff going on..

I'm finding myself not really liking it..

it's just too nice for me..

in my lil' opinion… for what it's worth…

21st C should be raw power.. epic blood and snot

and that just ain't

it's too beautiful

Interesting, I listened with mixed emotions.  @steamabacus said it perfectly, it needs to be visceral.  Despite some clever bits it comes across rather like a film score, too exact, too perfectly timed, which makes it too clinical and devoid of emotion IMO.  Not sure the beautification works either, certainly not for me anyway.  Guthrie is great as always though.

I am really glad I listened to that, thanks for posting, the experience of mixed emotions is a fantastic teacher, it brought a resolution to questions I didn't know that I had.   

Clarky

I totally get that...

beautifully arranged, performed, recorded, mixed and mastered..

but somehow a bit clinical, sterile, no fire in it's belly..

21st C needs angst and ugly.. the riff needs to boot you in the nads...

boogieman

Nope don't like it. Wisdoms awarded for some spot on comments.

I remember the first time I heard the original, I was probably about 16 and it scared the crap out of me. It was a brutal, ugly, behemoth of a thing but I LOVED it. This version sounds like a Lalo Schifrin film score.

@Clarky. What's happening with the DC band? You getting out on the road again anytime soon?

boogieman

steamabacus;612663" said:

You've just managed to sum up my thoughts on this. It was actually better than I was expecting   .... but Schizoid Man should be visceral.



I felt something similar about the new live album - some stunning playing but lacking that raw, elemental power that I associate with Crimson at their best.

KC are one of my favourite bands but I thought long and hard about going to see the latest incarnation when they tour over here later this year. Partly because I'm not a great fan of Jakko's voice or his playing (far too polite somehow) but also because you're right, the new band lacks the power of the older versions. In the end I decided not to go, frankly I'd rather listen to their 70's live recordings.

Roland

Clarky said:

... somehow a bit clinical, sterile, no fire in it's belly.. 21st C needs angst and ugly.. 

That's partly the orchestration, which could have done with more a strident brass section, and partly the playing, where the original goes slightly sharp for emphasis, and the Philharmonic stays politely in key.

Having said which, I'm pleased that Schizoid Man has been recognised for the superb piece of music that it is.

Clarky

@Clarky. What's happening with the DC band? You getting out on the road again anytime soon?

the latest I know on this is that the new album is being mixed..

when it's released I think the band will start playing live again..

Clarky

Roland said:

Clarky said:

... somehow a bit clinical, sterile, no fire in it's belly.. 21st C needs angst and ugly.. 

That's partly the orchestration, which could have done with more a strident brass section, and partly the playing, where the original goes slightly sharp for emphasis, and the Philharmonic stays politely in key.

Having said which, I'm pleased that Schizoid Man has been recognised for the superb piece of music that it is.

I reckon it would have sounded cool in epic movie trailer style.. 

all huge and mental and over the top

boogieman

Clarky;635644" said:

@Clarky. What's happening with the DC band? You getting out on the road again anytime soon?





the latest I know on this is that the new album is being mixed..when it's released I think the band will start playing live again..

Cool. Let us know the dates when you're gigging again.