Brexit - the movie

siraxeman

a bit long but well worth a watch.....Europe is a anti democratic dictatorship that destroys what it was set up to achieve. Full of none elected non accountable greedy bureaucratic rich people looking out for their own interests......Watch n see!!

thecolourbox

Is the sequel about the house of Lords and our monarchy as well then?

siraxeman

you would hope so!! )

Jalapeno

siraxeman said:

Full of ..... rich people looking out for their own interests

That'll be Farage

siraxeman

nah he's all for us leaving - he'll be a rich man looking out for his own interests in a UK ran err UK.

english_bob

siraxeman said:

Europe is a anti democratic dictatorship that destroys what it was set up to achieve. Full of none elected non accountable greedy bureaucratic rich people looking out for their own interests......Watch n see!!

To me, the sovereignty argument is far more compelling (I didn't say convincing) than THE IMMIGRANTS R STEALIN UR JOBS OMG!!!

So why aren't the outies concentrating on this instead of immigration? Race to the bottom? Trying to scaremonger votes from the xenophobes and long-term unemployed in search of the same old scapegoat?

siraxeman

if you watch that video in the OP you will see it doesn't even touch on immigration!!

fretmeister

I have been enjoying the "We will bring in a points based immigration system like Australia has" bullshit.

Just like the points based system we already have then?

Jalapeno

fretmeister said:

I have been enjoying the "We will bring in a points based immigration system like Australia has" bullshit.

Just like the points based system we already have then?

Boris & Gove are shameless in their leadership brexit campaign

crunchman

fretmeister said:

I have been enjoying the "We will bring in a points based immigration system like Australia has" bullshit.

Just like the points based system we already have then?

Not with the EU we don't.  We can't stop anyone coming in from the EU.  If someone offered to ship every unemployed, unskilled, non-English speaking Greek, Italian and Spaniard to us we couldn't stop them.

For me the economy and sovereignty are much bigger issues than immigration but when you say something that is so clearly wrong I had to comment.

fretmeister

crunchman said:

fretmeister said:

I have been enjoying the "We will bring in a points based immigration system like Australia has" bullshit.

Just like the points based system we already have then?

Not with the EU we don't.  We can't stop anyone coming in from the EU.  If someone offered to ship every unemployed, unskilled, non-English speaking Greek, Italian and Spaniard to us we couldn't stop them.

For me the economy and sovereignty are much bigger issues than immigration but when you say something that is so clearly wrong I had to comment.

Nothing I said was wrong.

The system is in place for those coming in from outside of the EU.

Currently there is freedom of movement for citizens of member states, and many Brits use that freedom to work and live outside of UK but within the EU. Freedom of Movement within a set boundary is not the same as immigration from outside of that boundary.

The current points system was introduced in 2008 and at the time was claimed to be based on Australia's system. 

That you have a different idea of where the boundary should be rather than where it actually is does not change that what I said was 100% accurate.

Phil_aka_Pip

http://www.reasonstovoteremain.eu/

Teetonetal

I wonder what will tangibly change if Britain leaves. I suspect not a lot.

Heartfeltdawn

Teetonetal;1094940" said:

I wonder what will tangibly change if Britain leaves. I suspect not a lot.

They will kick us out of Eurovision. Rotters!

hubobulous

Teetonetal said:

I wonder what will tangibly change if Britain leaves. I suspect not a lot.

Anyone would think that the campaigns would have articulately explained this to us. Alas not.

Drew_TNBD

fretmeister said:

crunchman said:

fretmeister said:

I have been enjoying the "We will bring in a points based immigration system like Australia has" bullshit.

Just like the points based system we already have then?

Not with the EU we don't.  We can't stop anyone coming in from the EU.  If someone offered to ship every unemployed, unskilled, non-English speaking Greek, Italian and Spaniard to us we couldn't stop them.

For me the economy and sovereignty are much bigger issues than immigration but when you say something that is so clearly wrong I had to comment.

Nothing I said was wrong.

The system is in place for those coming in from outside of the EU.

Currently there is freedom of movement for citizens of member states, and many Brits use that freedom to work and live outside of UK but within the EU. Freedom of Movement within a set boundary is not the same as immigration from outside of that boundary.

The current points system was introduced in 2008 and at the time was claimed to be based on Australia's system. 

That you have a different idea of where the boundary should be rather than where it actually is does not change that what I said was 100% accurate.

Except it isn't a different idea of WHERE the boundary should be.

It's a different idea of WHO DECIDES WHERE the boundary should be.

Phil_aka_Pip

Heartfeltdawn said:

Teetonetal;1094940" said:

I wonder what will tangibly change if Britain leaves. I suspect not a lot.

They will kick us out of Eurovision. Rotters!

Doesn't matter now that Sir Terry is no longer with us

Fretwired

fretmeister said:

I have been enjoying the "We will bring in a points based immigration system like Australia has" bullshit.

The plan is to extend the points based system to include people from within the EU.

Fretwired

Heartfeltdawn said:

Teetonetal;1094940" said:

I wonder what will tangibly change if Britain leaves. I suspect not a lot.

They will kick us out of Eurovision. Rotters!

Sadly Eurovision has nothing to do with the EU or it would be a compelling reason to quit. However, leaving will no doubt give the population of Europe another reason for not voting for us come the next Eurovision Song Contest.

crunchman

hubobulous said:

Teetonetal said:

I wonder what will tangibly change if Britain leaves. I suspect not a lot.

Anyone would think that the campaigns would have articulately explained this to us. Alas not.

They don't know.

It depends what kind of agreement we can negotiate afterwards.  The EU may be pragmatic and make a trade agreement with us so that Germany can keep selling us cars so they don't go further down the toilet.  On the other hand they may decide to set an example with us to discourage other nations from leaving even though it would hit their own economies.  No-one knows which way they will go.

Any politician (looking at you Osborne) who claims they can predict exactly what will happen is lying.

fretmeister

crunchman said:

hubobulous said:

Teetonetal said:

I wonder what will tangibly change if Britain leaves. I suspect not a lot.

Anyone would think that the campaigns would have articulately explained this to us. Alas not.

They don't know.

It depends what kind of agreement we can negotiate afterwards.  The EU may be pragmatic and make a trade agreement with us so that Germany can keep selling us cars so they don't go further down the toilet.  On the other hand they may decide to set an example with us to discourage other nations from leaving even though it would hit their own economies.  No-one knows which way they will go.

Any politician (looking at you Osborne, Cameron, Gove, Grayling, Johnson, etc) who claims they can predict exactly what will happen is lying.

Fixed that.