Brexit negociations

Fretwired

Interesting developments .. Merkel wants Junker sacked - he's blamed for Brexit in some quarters and is gloating with Hollande. Germany, Poland and other eastern European countries are forming an alliance against France .. Merkel favours an associate membership package for the UK. There may be trouble ahead ..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/03/angela-merkel-to-oust-jean-claude-juncker-as-europe-splits-deepe/

StanleyAccrington

The sooner we get out the better.

Chalky

The strains inside the EU will only get worse now that the black sheep has voted to leave!

quarky

I hope it triggers major changes within the EU. And I hope they can make it worthwhile being a member. I am not anti-Europe, just anti-EU.

ICBM

I said this a while ago - there is a power struggle between Juncker and Merkel going on over the causes of, and how to respond to, the UK Leave vote.

I'm not anti-EU at all but I hope that arrogant prick Juncker gets to take a long walk off a short pier. In my opinion he is at least partly responsible - he's always been clearly anti-UK and unable to hide his disdain.

Reducing the power of the Commission in favour of the national leaders and/or the European Parliament would also be a very good thing in my opinion.

chillidoggy

The twat needs to resign. Right now. And no doubt collect a big, fuck-off pension.

skankdelvar

Juncker is also engaged in a battle over who gets the final word on the long-delayed Canadian trade deal. Predictably, the pint-sized, bibulous Luxembourgeois wants to deny the individual nations any say. The nations (particularly) the Eastern Bloc are up in arms. 

Meantimes, the most recent accession nations (Bulgaria and Romania) are suddenly threatening to veto the whole deal if the Canucks don't allow Free Movement. Yeah, that's gonna happen.

None of which bodes well for TTIP, the prestigious US / EU treaty which has been negotiated behind closed doors and in conditions of total secrecy by ... Juncker's Commission. 

To paraphrase Sir Edward Grey at the outbreak of the Great War: 'The chickens are coming home all over Europe. We shall see them roost in our lifetime'.

quarky

skankdelvar said:

Meantimes, the most recent accession nations (Bulgaria and Romania) are suddenly threatening to veto the whole deal if the Canucks don't allow Free Movement. Yeah, that's gonna happen.

You have got to be joking. Why on earth would Canada agree to that??

quarky

quarky said:

skankdelvar said:

Meantimes, the most recent accession nations (Bulgaria and Romania) are suddenly threatening to veto the whole deal if the Canucks don't allow Free Movement. Yeah, that's gonna happen.

You have got to be joking. Why on earth would Canada agree to that??

Ah, not free movement, visa free. So they have no right of abode, but effectively visa free holidays. So for the US, Brit's get a visa waver (or did last time I was there!), and they are asking the same thing for Canada.

skankdelvar

quarky said:

Ah, not free movement, visa free. So they have no right of abode, but effectively visa free holidays. So for the US, Brit's get a visa waver (or did last time I was there!), and they are asking the same thing for Canada.

Ah! I see. My mistake.

It transpires that - as part of trade negotiations - the land of the Maple Leaf has offered visa-free travel to all EU citizens except those of Bulgaria and Romania. 

How very odd. Were it not that the Canadians are accounted the least racist people in the world one might imagine that they had something against the EU's newest members. 

I'd be jolly annoyed if I were a Bulgarian.

Skipped

If anyone here has managed to turn off the tv, and turn off the radio, and focus on anything but Brexit - possibly playing a Musical Instrument - you have my admiration and respect.
I have serious information overload but do not know how to withdraw.

I would go on holiday but everything just got expensive.......

Fretwired

Skipped said:

If anyone here has managed to turn off the tv, and turn off the radio, and focus on anything but Brexit - possibly playing a Musical Instrument - you have my admiration and respect.
I have serious information overload but do not know how to withdraw.

I would go on holiday but everything just got expensive.......

  Egypt's cheap .. ;-)

quarky

I have tried to avoid the news quite a bit, especially for the first couple of days after the vote. It was just all so depressing. Even so, I tend not to both with the news sites and go straight to the sports section.

I did hear again on the radio that the Italian banks are in big trouble and the Italians are threatening to ignore the rules, and risking the wrath of Merkel.

Clarky

Skipped said:

If anyone here has managed to turn off the tv, and turn off the radio, and focus on anything but Brexit - possibly playing a Musical Instrument - you have my admiration and respect.
I have serious information overload but do not know how to withdraw.

I would go on holiday but everything just got expensive.......

I have gigs coming up..

I have been practicing the set daily, working on technique daily and of course teaching my lil' flock of fledgling shredders..

music comes first..

this Brexit shite though has been quite a distraction

chillidoggy

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/03/angela-merkel-to-oust-jean-claude-juncker-as-europe-splits-deepe/

Interesting.

Evilmags

skankdelvar said:

quarky said:

Ah, not free movement, visa free. So they have no right of abode, but effectively visa free holidays. So for the US, Brit's get a visa waver (or did last time I was there!), and they are asking the same thing for Canada.

Ah! I see. My mistake.

It transpires that - as part of trade negotiations - the land of the Maple Leaf has offered visa-free travel to all EU citizens except those of Bulgaria and Romania. 

How very odd. Were it not that the Canadians are accounted the least racist people in the world one might imagine that they had something against the EU's newest members. 

I'd be jolly annoyed if I were a Bulgarian.

The real issue here (that no politician dares say unless he fancies a ten week long twitter storm) Is that Ethnic Romanians and Bulgarians are not the people anyone who has such worries are worried about. Canada is not about to vocalise it, but they are not about to allow free access for Romany Gypsies, and politician correctness dictates that every Romanian and Bulgarian must be discriminated against equally. 

Romanians and Bulgarians (who I know a lot of having just rebuilt a house in Spain) find this situation somewhat unamusing. Candaians are not racist, because they are very careful about who they let into their country. 

Chalky

Skipped;1137792" said:

If anyone here has managed to turn off the tv, and turn off the radio, and focus on anything but Brexit - possibly playing a Musical Instrument - you have my admiration and respect.

I have serious information overload but do not know how to withdraw.



I would go on holiday but everything just got expensive.......

I took a lunch break and played guitar. Nice little oasis.

Fretwired

chillidoggy said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/03/angela-merkel-to-oust-jean-claude-juncker-as-europe-splits-deepe/

Interesting.

I posted that yesterday in the main thread .. looks like an EU split.

chillidoggy

Fretwired said:

chillidoggy said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/03/angela-merkel-to-oust-jean-claude-juncker-as-europe-splits-deepe/

Interesting.

I posted that yesterday in the main thread .. looks like an EU split.

Ah, ok.

Yes, it looks like the skids could be under the alky Commandant Juncher. I though the choice of language interesting, that Merkel is gong to get rid of him. Smacks of German control.

Fretwired

chillidoggy said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/03/angela-merkel-to-oust-jean-claude-juncker-as-europe-splits-deepe/

Interesting.

@chillidoggy .. you do realise that this thread is about the link you posted .... it's at the top of the page .. :-)

skankdelvar

What are you like, Mrs May?

The frankly evil Tory leadership favourite has indicated that the status of EU citizens living in the UK might form part of Brexit negotiations. Mind you, there won't be a problem - she purrs - if the EU gamely agree to continue to host all those British pensioners currently resident on the Costa Del Sol and elsewhere upon the continent.

Not that anyone might now consider all those chirpy Polish shop managers and wealthy French bankers to be - er - hostages. Oh no, not a bit of it.

I like the cut of Mrs May's jib. She will be the breath of fresh air we have been awaiting - as long as she does not backslide. 

The silent majority watches.